2008 Primaries Thread

Yeah, I remember when Giuliani used the "waiting for a special occasion" strategy...

Alessandra Stanley should stick to reviewing the OC hudding in a corner with a bottle of white wine, waiting for the tremors to stop.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/020108DailyUpdateGraph2.gif

A three points margin!

NB: I think the Edwards numbers are still there because of the rolling 3-day sample used in the poll

elmo is that a national poll or a specific state?

I think Obama's gonna do it. Hillary's perceived negatives (previous Clinton admin, war vote, unegaging speaker, polarizing figure who energizes the right) outweigh his (youth/inexperience).

mark, it's nationwide

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/10178/thumbs/s-HARRY-large.jpg

The Clinton campaign convened a conference call with health policy experts to denounce Obama's new mailer (.pdf), which attacks Clintons plan for "forcing" Americans to sign up for insurance, and which features a couple at a kitchen table that recalls, for some, the famous insurance-industry financed "Harry and Louise" ads against the original Clinton plan.

"I am personally outraged at the picture used in this mailing," said Len Nichols of the New America foundation, a leading supporter of mandatory insurance, who called it a "Harry and Louise evocation."

"It is as outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois," Nichols said. "I just find it disgusting that this kind of imagery is being used to attack the only way to get to universal coverage."

Update: At the end of the call, Clinton aide Howard Wolfson disavowed the Nazi reference, saying the campaign didn't think it was appropriate, though he acknowledged the passions the issue stirs.

LOLOLOL

hahaha oh man so does Godwin's Law apply to campaigns too...?

a man! and a woman! sitting at a kitchen table! HOW DEPRAVED! HOW INSIDIOUS!

looool

shit those are the nationwide numbers... wow that poll climb is seriously awesome. he might pull this off

what is the first big primary after the 5th?

i mean, when you're debating the insidious implications of stock photography in political mailers, i guess your campaign has really started to scrape the barrel.

x-post -- According to this, it would be next Saturday (3 states, 200 plus delegates), then Virgina the following Tuesday (again, over 200 delegates).

Whoops, Maryland and Virginia, rather, plus DC.

I’m thinking most of you are unaware of the Harry and Louise commercials because this is an obvious attempt to recreate them.

For those curious: you can see a few of them on YouTube.

March 4th is the real biggie following Feb 5th

I’m thinking most of you are unaware of the Harry and Louise commercials because this is an obvious attempt to recreate them.

no, I remember these commercials. but so what? OMG a campaign is using a proven successful tactic against another campaign - THE NAZIS ARE COMING

You're right, they should have had the married couple figuring out their finances while skydiving or something.

Or while spinning clay or a potter's wheel. Or digging through garbage. Anything but sitting at a kitchen table, those bastards.

or while escaping from a furlough program

no wait - while fathering an illegitimate black child

on a swift boat

I’m thinking most of you are unaware of the Harry and Louise commercials because this is an obvious attempt to recreate them.

lol

the post-2/5 calendar looks pretty Obama-friendly to me, and he's already up in the air in many of these states

Mr Goodman is actually Krugman, btw

Harry and Louise are more contemporary than Jesse Jackson

xp, lol

Reading the Corner is so satisfying this week.

wow @ 20 points to 3 in under two weeks!

yea that's amazing

How will superdelegates play out if this is going to go the distance in Dem primary?

theres no way theyll be allowed to swing the election

MN is tightening up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mn/minnesota_democratic_primary-447.html

This poll was taken before Edwards dropped out.

guys, I think we are forgetting that Harry : Louise :: Hitler : Eva Braun

the post-2/5 calendar looks pretty Obama-friendly to me

what are you saying, gabbneb?

that it consists of states in which he might be expected to do better than hillary

why would you think that?

damn, thinking about last night's debate, and watching some footage from other ones, i think wolf blitzer is possibly the shittiest debate moderator i've ever seen

gabbneb i sincerely hope you're not saying what i think you're saying

if Obama is the nominee, don't be surprised if Bloomie gets in.

Why Obama over HRC?

Mayor Bloomberg/Senator Hagel is the dream ticket that keeps me up at night.

Bloomberg/Hagel sounds like something you need to get inoculated against.

ET TU, GABBNEB? ET TU?

Hil's probably got ME and LA we'll see about - AR is upstairs - and I think O's KS purchase is to be seen as far as NE goes, but I think he's gonna do well or more than well in the VIs, WA, MD, VA, HI and WI, and then it's 2 weeks to Ohio. If we get there, it might decide the nom, but I'm not sure we'll get there.

I have no idea what you think i'm saying

wolf really was awful -- his thirst for bloodsport was not slaked, alas, and his symbiotic beard is thirsty still

Daniel, NYT story a few weeks ago said B was more likely to enter if the D/R candidates were 'ideologues' or 'polar extremes' and used Obama and Huckabee as examples, in contrast to Hil v McCain. Now I don't find Obama to be much of an ideologue, but I bet Mr Slashing the School Budget thinks so.

gabby i'm just curious why you think the states ned mentioned -- before you went and looked up all the other ones -- will lean obama

I found Wolf a lot less objectionable as a modertor than, say, Tim Russert.

xpost

the non-entities from politico were miles better than anybody else i've seen so far at the debates

True.

... but who will win American Samoa?

gabby i'm just curious why you think the states ned mentioned -- before you went and looked up all the other ones -- will lean obama

i still don't understand what you're saying. the only state ned mentioned was virginia, but i knew of most of the other states in the rounds shortly following.