reading that is very dispiriting if you've just finished your own experimental novel
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:56 (eight years ago) link
There was a brief period when I felt like the Wake exhausted the possibilities for fiction after it but no way, if anything it celebrates the exhaustlessness of language
― some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
I never feel like that with Joyce at all, and FW isn't really fiction.
That passage is more like a Rabelasian feast.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:33 (eight years ago) link
pynchon's disgusting candy drill + alliterative feast at either end of gravity's rainbow were just standing on these shoulders huh
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:48 (eight years ago) link
Is that the only book you've read?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
yeah! pretty impressive isn't it
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link
maybe you should get out more. Sun is shining.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link
try and find a passage from FW that evinces that sentiment idk
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:00 (eight years ago) link
maybe you should: 2nd book for you to read.
A third: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Just-One-Day-Adventures-Britpop-ebook/dp/B008EMAL4G/ref=la_B001H6QKQ4_1_1/278-3832172-6854343?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461239689&sr=1-1
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:02 (eight years ago) link
reading that is very dispiriting if you've just finished your own Britpop memoir
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:28 (eight years ago) link
I must correct here to your own EXPERIMENTAL Britpop memoir #binAndBurnThatFucker
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link
'the interior world of noel gallagher' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most published experimental fiction
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link
Experimental Britpop - not an ILM thread yet?
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
mansun have like 3 threads!!!
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
your experimental novel is Mansun slash fic isn't it?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:42 (eight years ago) link
shhhhh
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
oh sure I was v callow and wrong and full of wrong-headed notions about form and genre when I had those thoughts
― some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:53 (eight years ago) link
We were all young once.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link
https://tune.pk/video/5311874/father-ted-mrs-doyle-guessing-the-name
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link
I think a couple of my relatives are in there.
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
It's the other greatest Irish listmaker who inspires the Father Ted name-guessing - similar scene in the 3rd Policeman
― woof, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link
but i just keep staring at that list
Left Boot Sent on Approval
― woof, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link
similar scene in the 3rd Policeman
Right, read it years ago but I don't remember much about it - apart from how it made me feel. Got to read that again.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 07:56 (eight years ago) link
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siiiiiick
― carly rae jetson (thomp), Friday, 22 April 2016 08:43 (eight years ago) link
[found it]'Do you recall that you told me that I was not here at all because I had no name and that my personality was invisible to the law?''I said that.''Then how can I be hanged for a murder, even if I did commit it and there is no trial or preliminary proceedings, no caution administered and no hearing before a Commissioner of the Public Peace?'[...]Then he spoke.'Are you completely doubtless that you are nameless?' he asked.'Positively certain.''Would it be Mick Barry?''No.''Charlemange O'Keeffe?''No.''Sir Justin Spens?''Not that.''Kimberley?''No.''Bernard Farm?''No.''Joseph Poe or Nolan?''No.''One of the Garvins or the Moynihans?''Not them.''Rosencranz O'Dowd?''No.''Would it be O'Benson?''Not O'Benson.''The Quigleys, The Mulrooneys or the Hounimen?''No.''The Hardimen or the Merrimen?''Not them.''Peter Dundy?''No.''Scratch?''No.''Lord Brad?''Not him.''The O'Growneys, the O'Roartys or the Finnehys?''No.''That is an amazing piece of denial and denunciation,'he said.He passed the red cloth over his face again to reduce the moisture.'An astonishing parade of nullity,' he added.'My name is not Jenkins either,' I vouchsafed.'Roger MacHugh?''Not Roger.''Sitric Hogan?''No.''Not Conroy?''No.''Not O'Conroy?''Not O'Conroy.''There are very few more names that you could have, then,' he said.
― woof, Friday, 22 April 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link
That's so good, thanks!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:07 (eight years ago) link
But to go back to the Joyce, how many racehorses have been named from that list? "Tight before Teatime" has surely been taken up by now.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:10 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=see3U9uUeZ4
― mahb, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
The child, a natural child, thenown by the mnames of, (aya!aya!), wouldbewas kidnapped at an age of recent probably,possibly remoter; or he conjured himself from seight by slideat hand; for which thetheatron is a lemoronage; at milch-goat fairmesse; in full dogdhis; sod on a fall; pat; the hunderingblundering dunderfunder of plundersundered manhood; behold,he returns; renascenent; fincarnate; still foretold around the hearth-side; at matin a fact; hailed chimers' ersekind; foe purmanant,fum in his mow; awike in wave risurging into chrest; victis poenishesternis; fostfath of solas; fram choicest of wiles with warmenand sogns til Banba, burial aranging; under articles thirtynine ofthe reconstitution; by the lord's order of the canon consecrand-able; earthlost that we thought him; pesternost, the noneknownworrier; from Tumbarumba mountain; in persence of wholelandslots; forebe all the rassias; sire of leery subs of dub; the Dig-gins, Woodenhenge, as to hang out at; with spawnish oel full hisangalach; the sousenugh; gnomeosulphidosalamermauderman; thebig brucer, fert in fort; Gunnar, of The Gunnings, Gund; oneof the two or three forefivest fellows a bloke could in holidaycrowd encounter; benedicted be the barrel; kilderkins, lids off; aroache, an oxmaster, a sort of heaps, a pamphilius, a vintivatniviceny, a hygiennic contrivance socalled from the editor; thethick of your thigh; you knox; quite; talking to the vicar's joyand ruth; the gren, woid and glue been broking by the maybolegards; he; when no crane in Elga is heard; upout to speak thislay; without links, without impediments, with gygantogyres,with freeflawforms; parasama to himself; atman as evars; whomotherwise becauses; no puler as of old but as of young a palatin;whitelock not lacked nor temperasoleon; though he appears afunny colour; stoatters some; but a quite a big bug after thedahlias; place inspectorum sarchent; also the hullow chyst ex-cavement; astronomically fabulafigured; as Jambudvispa Vipraforesaw of him; the last half versicle repurchasing his pawnedword; sorensplit and paddypatched; and pfor to pfinish our pfunof a pfan coalding the keddle mickwhite; sure, straight, slim,sturdy, serene, synthetical, swift.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
#Trumps1stYearAtHogwarts pic.twitter.com/aGMZcVLWOH— wint (@dril) January 19, 2018
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6CHq9mXkJ8
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
The crisp of the crackling is in the chawing.Give us an-other cup of your scald.Santos Mozos!That was a damn good cup of scald!You could trot a mouse on it.I ingoyed your pick of hissing hot luncheon fine, I did, than’ awfully, (sublime!)— Finnegans Wake (@finnegansreader) June 19, 2019
got a massive idiotic laugh attack from "a cup of scald". It has give me this image of some congenial host pouring some boiling wine straight from a kettle.
― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:30 (four years ago) link
:) we should make this a permanent ilx FW reading group
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:38 (four years ago) link
I'd definitely like to try tackling it. It's about 3 years ago to the day that I last attempted it.
― frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:57 (four years ago) link
I'm in
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:00 (four years ago) link
To be read alongside Tōru Takemitsu's riverrun and a way a lone.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
xxp cant believe you’ve never heard this extremely auld wan from Dublin phrase!But yeah, I’m in!
― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
Altho this online annotated edition is coming along nicely http://finwake.com/01/01.htm there's something distracting to me in superabundant footnotes, even tho they add thoughts and knowledge i didn't possess already
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:06 (four years ago) link
Some contemporaneous secondary reading material:
https://zehfilardo.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/our-exagmination-round-his-factification-for-incamination-of-work-in-progress-searcheable.pdf
(Work in Progress was Finnegans Wake's working title).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:07 (four years ago) link
i love Takemitsu so yes yes
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:07 (four years ago) link
I feel like I'm ready for it, but always have 5 or 6 history books lined up on my kindle, and Shalamov was the author that taught me most that fictional worlds can be much more truthful than historical accounts by hardbrained professors. Sorry getting dizzy spells after too much coffee.
― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
I'm in as well!
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
cuppa scald and trot a mouse well by god lads thats just everyday talk tbh
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:14 (four years ago) link
But deems, you are Finnegan.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:15 (four years ago) link
if it really was scalding all the alcohol would be burnt away:(
― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:16 (four years ago) link
No such thing as skalding without mulled wine.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:18 (four years ago) link
im blissfully ignorant as to whether being finnegan is a good or bad thing and shall remain so
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:19 (four years ago) link
Good not bad imho.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:19 (four years ago) link
I mean, he's a primordial giant and pub owner.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
I gave this account a follow for a while. Loved the annotations as she read the thing:
Joyce's advice on goodbye #finnshotel pic.twitter.com/XOos80Uduq— Susie Lopez (@LookUpYoga) October 30, 2017
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:25 (four years ago) link
b) i got no idea what form a reading group might take or how we might proceed - but those aren't reasons not to do it
― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
We could probably do Book 1 on a section by section basis. That'll be untenable later on but it's a way to start.
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link
From googling it seems the twitterfeed is on page 458. Anyone have any thoughts on that page?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link
From Chapter 3, Episode II. Good episode. With the crackling and the chawing and all that.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
If you’ve been enjoying the #Bloomsday Words & Music on @BBCRadio3 this afternoon, listen out for our programme on Tuesday: we get caught up in Finnegans Wake. @DrMatthewSweet with Eimear McBride @FaberBooks, @FinnFordham @NellLybeck https://t.co/gJlhOOe1bs— BBC Free Thinking (@BBCFreeThinking) June 16, 2019
Listening to this last night
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 20 June 2019 07:29 (four years ago) link
Very nice account of a reader's journey with it.
https://lithub.com/finnegans-wake-at-80-in-defense-of-the-difficult/
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
An excellent piece on Wake reading as communal act, and also as almost a cult-like dimension of it:
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/on-finishing-finnegans-wake/
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 May 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/breaking-james-joyce/
Her other essay weaves her life with Joyce's (and also shows that the 27 year reading of FW was roughly 13 years spent on 2/3 of it!) It could be too much for anyone but her but I really liked it.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 May 2021 08:04 (two years ago) link
I saw the movie (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059179/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0). I needed the subtitles, but I think I got all the allusions.
"One joke" could be a poorly-told knock-knock joke, or it could be a masterful telling of "The Aristocrats." I haven't tried to read FW, but I assume it's towards the Aristocrats end of this spectrum.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Saturday, 22 May 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link