Rolling 2016 Thread on Race

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i am told jumping the turnstiles is the correct way to do it

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 20:35 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/722880185796849672

UPDATE: New $20 bill will keep an image of Andrew Jackson on the back, with Harriet Tubman on the front of the bill.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/722886259488653312

Also, Alexander Hamilton will remain on the front of the $10 bill, with an image of women who marched for suffrage on to the back.

goole, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 20:53 (eight years ago) link

literally gotta hear both sides

goole, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 20:53 (eight years ago) link

sad lol

k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 April 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link

I guess this means they're taking the WTC off the $20 too.

pplains, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link

I guess this means they're taking the WTC off the $20 too.

About time - I mean, that building's not even there anymore.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 23:47 (eight years ago) link

Well, I've got some news for you about General Jackson and Harriet Tubman.

pplains, Thursday, 21 April 2016 00:45 (eight years ago) link

Twenties are for buying drugs - please leave the nasty old white guy on them!

are you fucking kidding me

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 21 April 2016 01:17 (eight years ago) link

ok I feel bad about it but I am giggling

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

The hoe cartoon is a super easy joke. The other cartoon is a full-on horror show and dude's quote explaining himself is a fucking nightmare.

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

doesn't even seem to be a christian school. weird.

(⌒_⌒)ノ (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 16:17 (seven years ago) link

Bryheim Muse is an abysmal name for the ages

someone has taken up our most potent form of criticism:

https://www.boldomatic.com/shop/products/orLVDQ

goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

the absurdity and amazing bad quality of "I'm late for my abortion" cartoon is killing me

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

when people make political cartoons that pass the onion's fake political cartoons in absurdity

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link

in all caps and italics

ulysses, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

The "jokes" of those strips are offensive enough, but why someone published shitty artwork by someone who couldn't draw in the first place also gets a slot further down on the list.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link

"But, it's like his opinion. And you know
http://thescript.thetake.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Big-Lebowski-White-Russian.jpeg

Elvis Santana (stevie), Tuesday, 10 May 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link

also "ALAANA" is a new one on me; is this in common use anywhere but in the ivory tower (no pun intended)? No ILX hits on search.

There is a growing conversation around the term ‘people of color,’ with some entities advocating for the use of ‘African, Arab and Native American (ALAANA),’ in addition to white, Asian and Latin@. Because the remarks in question herein speak of ‘black’ and ‘Latino,’ and attributed quotes include the term ‘minority,’ Arts Integrity has elected to utilize the broad term ‘people of color’ for the purpose of this essay and will be taking the new language under advisement for the future.

ulysses, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 13:52 (seven years ago) link

How exactly is that a tempest in a teapot?

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link

it's apparently confined to one small niche (arts education politics) and not being picked up on by any big media that i've seen yet.
this guy butera is obviously patently wrong if he's speaking/behaving as quoted but he is explicitly denying some of her statements and reportage as "misinterpretation". He has since been suspended pending investigation.

ulysses, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link

He has since been suspended pending investigation.

the end

da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

...wishful thinking i know

da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link

http://gawker.com/gunbroker-com-shuts-down-george-zimmermans-auction-1776314827

From the comments: "I’m a black man who’s lived most of my life in America, and this is just pretty much how it’s always been.

If you want to really get into it, I think it stems from guilt, shame, and the logical end of the “just world” fallacy.

The average white family is worth $134,000, while the average black family is worth $11,000. There’s a huge discrepancy there. It’s pretty easy to understand if you point at a system of institutionalized racism and say, “That system there is designed to keep black people down.” Easy answer so far.

But this is America. Land of the free. Bootstraps. Work hard and make something of yourself! So you run into a problem, because the idea of an institutionalized system that disempowers some people means that other people are getting privilege. Now you’re getting into the difficult part.

If America is a country where you can make yourself to be whatever you want to be, then people who are white and relatively well-off must be harder working, smarter people who make better decisions, right? But if there’s a system that routinely disempowers people of color, then is that person who’s white REALLY as smart and hardworking as they think they are?

Now you start getting into an existential crisis. A person who is white accepting a concept like “white privilege” means accepting that they got benefits to get them where they’re at, not that they did it all themselves. And that cuts to the core of their character, their self esteem, and everything they’ve worked for.

Look at Donald Trump. He got started because his dad gave him a “modest” loan of a million dollars. Obviously ANYBODY could do what he did, he just happened to be better at it than anyone else. Trump’s entire brand is based around the idea that he’s so awesome and did all this stuff himself because he’s so great, not because he was born privileged and rich.

Agreeing that institutionalized racism is real and that white privilege is real means saying to one’s self that they got benefits and privileges they didn’t earn, and that maybe they’re not as good and smart as they think they are. That’s a come-to-Jesus moment most people aren’t willing to face up to."

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link

On point, from the comments: "I remain in complete awe that George Zimmerman is still alive. He should be in awe as well, and stupid shit like this suggests he sure isn’t."

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/05/17/steven-adams-oklahoma-city-thunder-golden-state-warriors-game-1/84477378/

The most amazing thing to me about all of this is the comment reaction of "he's from New Zealand, maybe he didn't know" which cements my belief that people really are willfully dim.

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

that is honestly kinda what i thought it was, a silly gaffe

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

Mr. Veg recently conveyed some interesting personal experiences with NZ racism, so yeah I'm not convinced by that excuse

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link

I think his own admission makes it clear in the article. Dan's point is about the commenters (why Dan is reading the comments I have no idea).

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link

Yeah no, Australians also use that "we dont know about your history" BS all the fucking time, no goddamn excuse in 2016.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link

I like when americans are like "well, they don't really have racism in Australia so they can't understand"

doubling down on not knowing anything about other people

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link

Oh I'm well aware there's shitloads of racism down under too

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link

We dont have racism? Geez do people think that? We have an underclass living in a literal 3rd world environment in this country.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:53 (seven years ago) link

Isn't there also a long and fairly recent history of Australian white supremacy politics oh hey look yes there is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link

I think we're all on board with the "Australia has racism" theory.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

They didn't ship other human beings en masse to be used as slaves for three centuries, but you probably don't want to get into a conversation with some of them about boats either.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link

Our racism is surely different than in the US: its all about "we grew here, you flew here"/"go back where you came from" BS. And it is very ugly. Anyway I'm sure I'm preaching to le choir here on this.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link

I was wondering if dude was going to get offered a pass for being NZ or for being in Oklahoma.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:21 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, I was referencing Americans being apologetic for Australians being dumb about race. Like, say, an American rapper who had to walk back his comments about an Australian he mentored

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link

Our racism is surely different than in the US: its all about "we grew here, you flew here"/"go back where you came from" BS. And it is very ugly. Anyway I'm sure I'm preaching to le choir here on this.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce)

Surely they don't say that to the native (pre-Euro) Australians.

nickn, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:55 (seven years ago) link

don't underestimate the idiocy

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link

No, they just call all koori folk drunks and welfare cheats :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/05/five-elected-as-overseers/?link_id=0&can_id=63bc3a82f39ac828495b3b3ffa5194d3&source=email-congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers&email_referrer=congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers&email_subject=congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers

This is really insider-baseball stuff around the Harvard Board of Overseers election but the breakdown is this:

- The admissions process takes into account both tangible and non-tangible factors when attempting to build a talented, diverse freshman class; one of those factors is race
- A group of conservatives who were opposed to the inclusion of race as a distinguishing criterion put together a slate of nominees under the name "Free Harvard, Fair Harvard" advocating for much greater financial aid across the board for all students oh and removing some the considerations that were allowing some of the black and Hispanic students in the door; they allied with a group of disgruntled Asian-Americans who felt that these considerations were artificially keeping the number of Asians at Harvard low to make space for less worthy students (side note: one does not need to be a Harvard graduate to run for Overseer)
- A good segment of the alumni base was appalled by this and put forward their own slate of nominees who were committed to the overall diversity initiatives that Harvard had committed to and was trying to improve, both in terms of admissions and on-campus support for the students who needed it once they got there; this group operated under the name Coalition for a Diverse Harvard
- A seriously contentious argument between the two factions raged across social media, with one side-effect being the discovery that one of the "Free Harvard, Fair Harvard" people was an attorney who sued UT Austin over "racial quotas" and another had spoken at an event with some white power groups
- As shown in that link, the Coalition won, thank god

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link

oh ALSO Ralph Nader was helping lead the charge on the Free Harvard/Fair Harvard side and was one of the names on the slate

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link

wtf Nader

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 23 May 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link

never forget, Nader wondered if Obama would be "an Uncle Tom for corporations" immediately after Obama won the presidency:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/nader-defends-obama-slur/?_r=0

He then redefined his entire political brand into "racebaiting from the left" so it's really not at all surprising that he would dive headfirst into this bullshit

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link


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