GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

altho yeah lol my thought too was "wow what a couple of assholes, breaking all Ray's shit"

i knew twenty five yr olds w/ a framed Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? poster tho

more realistic, bcz that movie's not so hot ;)

Polly Maggoo massive style icon to my other half when she was a teen

yah slow motion weed smoking to urban outfitters music was wayy too broad city for me

My wife started watching girls and I missed most of the first season but I kept catching bits of the end of the first and second season and started watching it with her. I will say that I had assumed I would hate this show, and I mostly do. Season final was very good, even though I hate most of the characters, I will say, Shoshanna is way underused, and Elijah is maybe the best.

I had to look up polly maggoo, damn Dorothy McGowan could pass for could i get some nude photoes of audrey hepburn's neck plz

this show is so tonally bizarre--i've never understood how its admirers (which included me once upon a time) can square the "you're supposed to hate the characters and their privilege etc" with what can only be described as bathetic non-sequiturs for which caring about the characters seems a prerequisite. and the lazy hipster caricatures! and the flatly fantastical parable in which ray's coffee shop catera to "adults" where adulthood simply means, i dunno, having a job and not being a hipster anymore? and i felt like the trashing of the apt sequence was kind of desperate because they didn't really have anything actually dramatic to do. i guess i dont get this show at all.

oh and the broad city thing was strange, since it seemed like a fairly explicit allusion. it somehow comes off as professional jealously.

also was the last shot a reference to the 400 Blows.

yea the anti-hipster coffee shop seemed like a misstep for this show. otm on too flat a portrayal. I think the rest of ur critique is on point but the tone mix is a strength & makes it sortof more nuanced than staying in 1 lane. like y cant you hate their privilege and also care abt them?

i think that's fair--maybe the cognitive dissonance is too much for me.

there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere.

Last two shows were really poorly written. They do this every season - Hannah asks like a jerk for nine episodes then gets some kind of gentle affirming resolution. Everyone else has their character monstered at the last minute for holding Hannah back.

add this to the list of shows that i just keep watching out of some self imposed obligation to finish what i started while no longer getting enjoyment out of it.

Ray rode by me slowly on a bike recently and if it's possible for a facial expression to say "Yeah, that's right, I'm Ray," that's exactly what it said.

"there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere."

i've absolutely been to coffee shops without lids

Cafes Sans Frontiers

Ugh: http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/11/10/milo-offers-to-pay-for-lena-dunhams-one-way-ticket-to-canada/

I kind of hope Lena runs riot over Dumpster Person #1 here.

i kind of despise the "I'm moving to canada" crap tbh, it's so smug, entitled, and disingenuous, not available to the people who might actually benefit from it, and it plays into the hands of the "cosmopolitan elitist liberal blah blah blah" label the right puts on rich/famous liberals. also the country i live in is not a consolation prize.

The not-entirely-serious frustration-vent of "I'm gonna move to XXXXX" is not the coolest thing to say but can we in this shitty new era please recognise that Milo is the actual piece of shit here?

useful rule of thumb: in any given situation, milo is always the actual piece of shit

well obvs

More like Lena dudham, amirite?

https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/797107117601816576

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 13h13 hours ago
@DouthatNYT Certainly I don't think *critics* on the left mistake "Girls" for " a fun show about 'the youth.'"

Ross Douthat ‏@DouthatNYT 13h13 hours ago
@AlyssaRosenberg Allow me my jokes.

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 12h12 hours ago
@DouthatNYT How else will I prove that I am the Humorless Liberal Critic, Destroyer of Jokes?

kudos

ugh

o no now what

ahhhh why did I google

?

not sure the context but apparently she wished she had had an abortion ???

apparently on her podcast

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/12/20/lena-dunham-says-never-had-abortion-but-wish-had.html

It's not really much better in context. Pretty much classic "this should be about me" Dunham stuff.

The "Girls" creator recounted visiting a Planned Parenthood in Texas several years ago where a young girl asked her to join a project where women share their stories of abortion.

"I sort of jumped," Dunham said. "'I haven’t had an abortion,' I told her. I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion."

It was then, Dunham said, she realized "Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department."

She added, "Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had."

this is the opposite of surprising

idgaf

that one ok first season of Girls was really not worth putting up with her for this long already

Eh, this is the diet version of John Waters saying 'I wish I was a girl so I could get an abortion' in Crackpot - and that's 30 years old!

It's a shame she is so committed to embodying every right wing critics' caricature of her. I still think, flawed as Girls is, she is a talented writer.

I think she is a talented writer too but it bothers me that she is put forward as some kind of cultural spokesperson in spite of what seems to be pretty narrow appeal and popularity. It feels very much like media class narcissism that she is so favored and promoted in the media.

I know so few people who watched Girls at all, and the ones who did were pretty lukewarm about it after a season or two. I've never met a single person who read her book or reads the Lenny Letter or whatever it's called. But she gets put on stage at the Democratic convention as some kind of representative of, idk, the hip kids today?

Yeah I agree. And I think her purposefully risible political stances actively damage the causes she is trying to further.

lol even in 2011 her hipness was dated

Hahaah this reminds me of the "Better Things" episode where the group ask each other how many abortions they've had. But even that episode wasn't really making it a source of pride.

She's connected, and goes to the right parties.

As indicated above, i thought the show got better after the first season.

true I think i liked season 2 more than the first now that i think about it.

Show sort of got out of its depth with the darker episodes.

But it took risks.

Which is good.

and that's okay

the last couple seasons have been really good tbh