Is this anti-semitism?

holy moly

Yeah, I think I might have posted about that place before. It is run by a chain that has a bunch of very odd theme restaurants in the city - one is dedicated to the Ukrainian nationalists who sided with Hitler to try to defeat Russia, one which actually sounds quite cool which is faux masonic and hidden in an apartment block and this one. They are all designed to reflect the history of Lviv in some way. There doesn't seem to be any overarching political animus behind it, it's all for joeks, but clearly both hugely offensive and reflective of a lot of the latent antisemitism and stereotypes that still remain in that part of the country. As reported, the trad Jewish food is apparently pretty good. Lviv is a great city but politically quite odd. It is supposedly the most European-focused part of the country but has very deep nationalist roots which, like a lot of nationalist roots in the region, often overlaps with strong antisemitic sentiment.

jfc i cannot handle that

the restaurant, i mean.

jfc could be a p good guaranteed-kosher chicken franchise

ha!

a hopeful take on what the recent bernie anti-semitism moment means
http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2016/04/boos-and-cheers-from-bernies-harlem.html

translation of an excellent text posted by the Italian editorial collective Il Lato Cattivo in July 2014 that speaks to a lot of the issues of antisemitism + communism we've discussed above: https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/04/29/letter-on-anti-zionism/

from the same blog: https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/04/30/reflections-on-left-antisemitism/

(good looking bibliography at the top of that second one that i plan on delving into when i get some time)

this in particular from the letter:

Under the spur of the general restructuring of class relations from the seventies onwards, during the last forty years, capital development has made a clean sweep, and little or nothing was left from that story. After Second World War, the movement of support for the Third World was legitimated, among others, by the function of supplier of cheap raw materials of this part of the world; but through the two “oil crises” in 1973-1974 and 1978-1980, the restructuration completely destabilized the previous situation: the price of crude increased in an unprecedented manner, and in Europe one began to speak of nuclear power stations. Therefore, more fundamentally, came successively the intoxication by oil rent in Middle East (that improved Hamas’ cash flow through intervention of Saudi Arabia), the end of Arab nationalism and the rise of Islamism. At the same time, even the economical and social structure of Israeli state completely changed. “Zionism,” strictly speaking, was the protection and safeguarding of “Jewish labor,” either for Israeli capital, against international competition, or for the working class against the Palestinian proletarians: it was in short a special case of the post-1945 “Fordist compromise,” of rooting in a given national state of a fraction of capital. Zionism implied that a “left-wing” character be given to state and civil society. This is what Likud gradually liquidated, and the radical resizing of the role of the kibbutz demonstrates that. Conversely, out of a logical deduction, one understands that the slow erosion of the Palestinian area goes hand in hand with a major use of the Arab workforce. Yet the definition of Israel as “Zionist state” resists, and even in this semantic quid-pro-quo manifests itself the tragic nature of the present situation. To let out words like “Zionist” or “lobby,” etc., only serves — consciously or not — to surround the existence of Israel with a halo of intrigues, mystery, conspiracy, and exceptional character, of which it is not difficult to catch the subliminal message: Israelis, i.e. the Jews, are not like others. While the only secret in this whole story is the open secret of capital: competition, which opposes “those who are at the top” as well as “those who are at the bottom.”

A thing I was thinking just now: do Jews in America tend to have a Plan? Like, keeping passports up to date, looking into what European nationality they might be entitled to, wondering how they would get by in Vancouver or Mexico City…I'm thinking it's worth planning for, after I get earthquake preparedness squared away.

i don't know about a plan per se but i know a lot of jews who keep their passports up to date. generally speaking tho when this topic comes up in conversation - and i should mention here that i think it's a bit hysterical and imho the US is the safest place in the world for a Jew to live - no one talks about vancouver, europe or mexico city - they just assume they'd be fleeing to israel.

A thing I was thinking just now: do Jews in America tend to have a Plan? Like, keeping passports up to date, looking into what European nationality they might be entitled to, wondering how they would get by in Vancouver or Mexico City

In my circles (notably more secular than Mordy's but religiously involved / synagogue members etc.) I have never heard of such a thing in my life and anyone making such plans would be thought of as slightly kooky. On the other hand, I certainly know Israelis who are trying to figure out how workable it would be for them to move to the US.

Yeah, the closest I can think is a friend in Texas who has started collecting guns and I want to say has a canon on his property now. But that's more Texas than Jew. I can't think of what would possibly drive me to Israel.

i should clarify that no one i know discusses it /seriously/ only in off-hand comments or as brief asides - it's the kind of thing that comes up when it seems like antisemitism in the diaspora is on the rise and conversations are happening about eg the french jewish community and then the jump to what if this happened here.

tom, you read this thread sometimes right? thought about posting it to uk thread but u kno
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hate-crimes-against-jews-sharply-increasing-in-britain-audit-finds/

The National Antisemitic Crime Audit from the non-governmental group Campaign Against Antisemitism said that nearly 1,000 incidents were reported in 2015, representing a 25.7% increase in anti-Jewish crimes on 2014, and making it the worse year on record.

Data collected from all of the country’s police forces showed that during 2014, UK police forces recorded 746 anti-Semitic crimes; that figure rose to 938 in 2015.

Violent crime jumped to 196 incidents, a 50.8% rise, in 2015 and accounted for 20.3% all crime against Jews, compared to just 126 incidents representing 16.9% of violent crimes the year before.

However, “despite the growth in antisemitic crime, police forces charged 7.2% fewer cases in 2015 than in 2014, meaning that only 13.6% of cases resulted in charges being brought,” the CAA said. In total 138 charges were brought in 2014, but just 128 in 2015.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/opinion/the-british-lefts-jewish-problem.html?_r=0

without following this controversy very closely, this article seemed reasonable:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/multiple-truths-of-labour-antisemitism-story

Was just reading that. v dismissive of the controversies and polls, mostly agree in the wider context as an attack on the current Labour leadership although Livingstone should've kept his mouth shut and not stepped in.

Also quite a few schoolboy errors eg. Diane Abbott is a shadow cabinet minister, not a 'spokesperson'.

Sorry - this is the piece I was talking about, from the open democracy too:

https://opendemocracy.net/uk/jamie-stern-weiner-norman-finkelstein/american-jewish-scholar-behind-labour-s-antisemitism-scanda

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493679.Freedom_of_speech_row_as_YouTube_refuses_to_take_down_Scots_Nazi_Dog_video/

saw this bumped and thought it would be about #renegadejew

xp. lanarkshire is never in the news for a good reason

Not sure where to put this, but an old guy in the pub (moving around while homeless has been enlightening) just told me that people are called 'Jews' because you're 'due' them money. And he wasn't kidding - late 60s ex-miner, and, at a guess, semi-literate. I actually don't encounter much anti-semitism in Scotland, because there aren't many Jewish people here. I have a book on the history of he's in Scotland, which I remember being good - if I can find it when I get a place I'll recommend it.

not really a question mark on this one

i've noticed this phenomenon on twitter (could've sworn i posted about it here?), and that it wasn't searchable, but i didn't know its specific history

https://mic.com/articles/144228/echoes-exposed-the-secret-symbol-neo-nazis-use-to-target-jews-online

jesse singal critique's that article's interpretation somewhat: they're not trying to be secret about it

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/06/understanding-the-alt-rights-jew-parentheses.html

stray apostrophe there, whups

Ha, I wasn't questioning the anti-semitism, just wanted to express my wonder at it, and this seemed the most likely thread. I've never heard of that connection, I wonder if it's of his own creation...

I never realized O was Jewish

yeah, the parenthesis thing was new to me.

watched this over the weekend, really heartbreaking the moral equivalencies people draw up to justify the actions of people they love:
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/my-nazi-legacy/

In defence of the pub here, someone was drunk and going on about how the holocaust didn't happen and he was told to shut up or get thrown out. Which surprised me because it's fairly right wing/racist. Nice to know they have limits.

https://mic.com/articles/145105/coincidence-detector-the-google-extension-white-supremacists-use-to-track-jews#.oAbzmKkaM

alt-right antisemitism is spreading - the forward just closed the comment section for this article bc it was literally all hate speech + holocaust denial memes in the comment section

this is fascinating: http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/06/06/the-first-anti-jewish-caricature/

Google bans plug-in that picks out Jews.

i think alt-right antisemites are a bunch of cowardly anonymous online pieces of shit who amount to nothing in the real world and i don't really want to give them a second of my attention or focus but i do want to say two [i think obvious] things about their jew-locater program: 1. they think they're so fucking clever w/ their goebbels quote (the paragraph beginning w/ "The Jew is immunized...") - I see it all over the place in memes and quotes. obv they're too fucking stupid though to realize that jews are frightened of being named on lists as jews not because they've been "found out," but bc they know that ppl don't make lists of Jews just for edification's sake - it's the first step to acting against jews, and relatedly, 2. what kind of idiot white supremacist needs an app to know who is jewish -- all these so-called hidden jews have jewish last names, are involved w/ jewish organizations, and are publicly proud of being jewish. wow good for u you discovered that mr. rosenblum is a jew - i guess you really found him out you brilliant antisemite you.

it's the same sort of circle-jerk in-joke that characterizes the entirety of 4chan, etc. it's not about efficacy but about ingroup snark.

The thing is, as a Jew, I actually already can see the parentheses around other Jews without a special extension, not just around their names, but around their actual IRL faces.

when you think about it, aren't we ALL jews, really?

i thought those were ears

Lol took me a sec xp

Mordy and goole looking strangely goyish on thread

Under the logic of the anti-semite, the Ashkenazi Jew is merely a white man with a mental disorder adopting something akin to a black Israelite identification that leads him to other-ize himself in white society. This propels him to subversive attitudes toward that society. As such, identifying Jews is a matter of "belling the cat." Of course, the anti-semitism itself would tend to counter-productively entrench Jewish identity, but I suppose once one discovers "the 'truth' about the Jews," one tends to ring the alarm bells rather than calmly think about tactics.

As such, the parenthesis don't seem to be about making a list of Jews, it's about emphasizing the Jewishness of people that they feel have an anti-white agenda ie promoting mass immigration, miscegenation, liberal policies of racial recompense, and also other attitudes that they feel are damaging to traditional society such as gay tolerance, feminism, and trans-acceptance. That's the reason it was called the "coincidence detector," as in "why are all of these people promoting this liberal anti-white agenda Jewish?" --- "Oh just a coincidence goy."

Of course, to keep the cognitive dissonance at bay, whites who adopt these "subversive" attitudes are dismissed as "shabbos goy."

Interesting. I have definitely seen the immigration thing come up a lot in that context, as though Jews are the driving force behind it (nevermind that Sheldon Adelson backs Trump). I haven't seen the Jew-as-confused-white-man thing though, that's a new one. Is that really the dominant white nationalist thinking these days, cuz that's really, really different from the thinking of their Nazi predecessors.

ime the false consciousness argument is a minority opinion in the white supremacist movement and not shared by major figures like david duke or kevin mcdonald. i also think xp you're overlooking the meaning of that goebbel's quote which i think definitely implies my interpretation (that the jews are trying to stay hidden in society) and not merely pointing out the coincidence - though i agree there's an aspect as that as well. also you're leaving out another piece imo which is the idea that while progressive western jews are encouraging miscegenation through mass immigration and racial equality, at the same time right-wing jews are promoting ethno-supremacist ideologies in israel vis-a-vis immigration, the wall, etc. of course this implies that progressive jews and right-wing jews are working together on a hypocritical political platform and aren't just u kno different ppl with different opinions. interestingly tho i do think this anxiety gets to some major faultlines in western discourses that are looming atm in terms of indigenous rights, who has the right to their country, what are a people's obligations to other cultures, etc, so it's not surprising that like other major discourse shifts in the past the Jew finds himself in the middle once again and blamed for it from all sides.

saw a dude on twitter with the dn (((.)))(((.))) lmao

I don't know how popular the false consciousness narrative is, I just recently came across it in a very vivid comment on the Atlantic website from one of the Right Stuff trolls.

I don't want to split hairs over the rationale for the coincidence detector, but I don't think it's a question to them of whether Jews are hiding or out in the open. I really think it's about "red-pilling" people on anti-semitism. If every time you see someone advocating "degeneracy" or "subversion," it is pointed out that that person is Jewish, it's going to have an effect on people. So their line of thinking goes.

A Brief Introduction to Pro Holocaust Twitter

This is so depressing. Jonathan Weisman from NYT left twitter yesterday. In the tweets leading up to the one I linked here, he shows how twitter did not find all this garbage a violation of its terms...