Rolling 2016 Thread on Race

that wig is really something

can someone please make the field one into a gif where he slowly pops out of the flowers

Surely if he'd done the slightest bit of research on the subject he'd know it is not acceptable? So it's not just dodgy in racial terms it's also bad journalism. (I realising saying a guy in blackface is 'dodgy in racial terms' is an understatement, but I do believe he had good intentions about this, and Germany is not America and does not have the same cultural history wrt blackface and blahblahblah... but STILL, he should have known.)

On the other hand, I genuinely love that shirt.

can someone please make the field one into a gif where he slowly pops out of the flowers

^^^

I remember my parents having a copy of "Black Like Me" in the house when I was growing up, why are white people into this idea

http://images3.cinema.de/imedia/6138/4396138,SSIPVzZ80UWjfKuloZv2KYcCS9VQpeUHCtfgwnIZ7Jdh_f+TjbZV41hWsbub+Kmqj92KlnytUMFuYdVnwD7_Wg==.jpg

"Now I stend on hill overlooking der stadt. Much sedness lives in mein herz. I am not being accepted as ein black man by das people."

You realize this story is from 2009? I'm sure a lot has changed since then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWHbDTyPaeQ

white people love this idea because they really don't believe black people

"it can't just be the color of your skin, it's got to be something else!"
*puts on blackface*

"whoa wtf people treat me like garbage"

or the well-intentioned (lol) researcher is like.. "how do I make people believe racism is real. they only listen to white people! hmmm"

i'm not sure that's it. i think it's more like the disneyland oppression experience. ime when this happens it is something white liberals do to get an intimate experience of what it's like to be at the receiving end of bigotry. at least iirc that's what the context of 'black like me' was - an expose on what it's /really/ like to be black in america. xp

feel like there's maybe some crossover with this phenomenon: http://forward.com/opinion/216428/europe-s-undercover-yarmulke-journalists/ which at least makes a little more sense since once you're wearing a yarmulke it's not like it's obv that you're jewfacing just by looking at the paint on yr skin.

people only trust first-person accounts from others they see as peers

well, not even then, I have some friends-of-friends who seriously used the phrase "jewed me down on the price" in front of our shared jewish friends, not even noticing that is not a phrase to use, ever, and probably just see it as an expression

imo white ppl fetishize minority oppression. that's prob at the root of "black privilege" - that they get the authenticity of being discriminated against while white ppl just get to control the hegemony.

Germany is not America and does not have the same cultural history wrt blackface...

No Stephen Foster banjo-playing vaudevillians in 1930s Berlin, I'll give the Germans that one.

I wonder if the "Die Soul Mann" starring Z. Thomas Howell was popular in Deautschland?

http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/blogs-photo/rendered/2015/06/soul-man-1-1_8col.jpg

jawohl!

http://www.inpapasbasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Soul_Man_C_Thomas_Howell1.jpg

god I just remembered something: in the 1845 German children's book "Der Struwwelpeter" one of the stories is "Die Geschichte von den schwarzen Buben" (the story of the black boys), described thusly by Wikipedia - "Saint Nicholas catches three boys teasing a dark-skinned boy. To teach them a lesson, he dips the three boys in black ink."

Germany is not America and does not have the same cultural history wrt blackface...

This is always trotted out as a defense for Euro-Blackface, but it's a bit like saying Americans can dress up as Holocaust victims because we have a different history wrt that

Did anyone actually read my post?

just saying that I've heard that defense in a bunch of previous instances of Euro-Blackface

And, due to a recent head injury, you're unable to determine when it's not being used as such a defense?

you are reading things that I did not write

https://twitter.com/shakiraaevans/status/716700224543145985

high school kids...

everything about that tweet is incomprehensible to me

A white kid made a sign that said "I PREFER DARK MEAT… PROM?" to ask a black girl out to prom and, when she said yes, pulled out matching KFC crowns for them both to wear. "Team Swirl" I'm assuming is reference to an online posse of black women who will only date white men, apparently the more racist the better if the nonsense shown in that picture is any indication of a trend/pattern.

(The "dark meat" comment and KFC of course being references to the stereotype that all black people love fried chicken)

How is it 2016 and people are still throwing out the KFC stereotype. Wouldn't CFA be more relevant with that kind of crowd anyway?

The use of blackface to fight racism is quite common in Northern Europe.

I mean I know "ok it's high school kids" but like I'm tryin to think of any situation where anybody at my high school woulda made a joke anywhere near in that ballpark and failing. and if they had, they'd have been missing a few teeth afterward.

"I ask ze black fraulein to the prom with KFC hat. She says ja. Ze racism is over."

Do people usually ask people they don't particularly know to the prom? I know it happens all the time in movies, but I assumed that wasn't really normal practice.

a defense for Euro-Blackface

ta for this

I can't see pictures of that german guy without thinking of the it's always sunny lethal weapon sequels

very guilty lols at always sunny's lethal weapon sequels

Do people usually ask people they don't particularly know to the prom?

Do you mean, do people go to prom with people they aren't dating? Yes, absolutely.

I don't know if we can say anything about how well these two know/don't know each other beyond "he knew her well enough to know he could call her 'dark meat' and give her a KFC crown and she'd still say yes"

Yeah I figured there was more personal detail to that part because although I would never rule out social pressure & bullying in that moment, that's not the kind of invitation I would probably say yes to? I say as someone who was asked out publicly during HS math class by a popular boy and said no because I was sure it was just an opportunity for humiliation.

Paul Mason grappling with white working-class underachievement, not entirely successfully:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/04/the-problem-for-poor-white-kids-is-that-a-part-of-their-culture-has-been-destroyed?CMP=share_btn_tw

Yeahhhhhh, not at his best there.

Alarm bells rang at the mention of the Catholicism and, having googled, yes he is a Catholic.

Yes, beyond questions of whether white working class culture was monolithic, defined by its relationship to work and destroyed completely by Thatcher rather than a range of broader factors, this seems odd:

But the headline grabber in the paper from the liberal thinktank CentreForum concerns ethnicity: the serial losers after 28 years of marketisation, testing, a centralised curriculum and decentralised control of schools are poor white kids.

“During the early years, white British pupils are among the highest achievers,” say the authors. “By the end of secondary school however, those white British pupils are overtaken by 10 other ethnic groups to just below average, when compared with other ethnicities.”

Let’s confront squarely what this means. If the country is populated with low-achieving, inarticulate white kids it is something that happens between the year they stop being toddlers and the year they start being Neets (Not in Education, Employment or Training).

You would expect white British kids whose parents are both native English speakers to do well in comparison to others in early years education. You would expect other kids to catch up. You would also expect the default population of the UK to be around the average (in this case, marginally below) unless you are Michael Gove and committed to making every school "above the average". It doesn't show that the country is populated by low-achieving, inarticulate white kids (measuring against benchmarks and not other ethnicities is the important thing) and it doesn't show that they end up failing to capitalise on better early potential, just that most people who start with a disadvantage more or less catch up. Native English speakers perform better at GCSE and more broadly, the margins are extremely tight afaict - a couple of percentage points either way in most cases. It's a strange lens to view education problems through, though that is not Mason's fault.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/04/04/do-blacks-feel-less-pain-than-whites-their-doctors-may-think-so/

This reminds me of when someone on here brought up midwesterners who thought Jewish people grew horns.

I don't understand how someone could think that when there are so many more redheaded white people than redheaded black people.

xp: this bullshit has directly impacted my wife

Fuck, that sucks DJP.

I should try harder to curb my flippant behavior in this thread in real life.

Chait is pithy:

No community in the United States is more aware of the power of its enemies than African-Americans.

But overall comes across as a dick, as usual

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/pragmatic-tradition-of-black-voters.html

Actually until you get to the last paragraph where he takes an equally pithy massive shit on white Bernie supporters performing as if they won't vote for Hillary. I enjoyed that a lot.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/bomani-jones-makes-statement-indians-085500948.html