Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

the weird quasi-respect between kirk and khan is one of the things that makes that episode so intriguing. if you think about it, it's a little insane that kirk allows these incredibly dangerous people to go free at the end of the episode. (i also always thought khan was right that it was pretty careless of kirk never to check up on their progress.)

yeah totally, the inarguable validity of khan's grievance makes him a real ahab instead of just an ahab reference.

admiral!

(i also always thought khan was right that it was pretty careless of kirk never to check up on their progress.)

hey Kirk's got other space-fish to fry!

you guys are making me want to watch all these w my kids

the weird quasi-respect between kirk and khan is one of the things that makes that episode so intriguing

Also the quasi-respect between Kirk and Kor in 'Errand of Mercy'.

game recognize game

also between kirk and mirror-spock, actually!

Random thought that just occurred that there's something very Star Trek(or maybe just PKD-like) about the two-parter GI Joe episodes where Shipwreck wakes from what he's told is a years-long coma only to find he's trapped in a synthoid/replicant/LMD village constructed entirely for him by Cobra.

Oh I totally remember this, it messed young meee up something fierce! Thanks for reminding me of this, I'll make sure to put it on my ballot!

you guys are making me want to watch all these w my kids

Don't torture them like that!!!

Lol

your agonizer, please

Random thought that just occurred that there's something very Star Trek(or maybe just PKD-like) about the two-parter GI Joe episodes where Shipwreck wakes from what he's told is a years-long coma only to find he's trapped in a synthoid/replicant/LMD village constructed entirely for him by Cobra.

There's also the alt-dimension one, where three of the soon-to-be-discontinued Joes get trapped into a universe where Cobra won. One of them stays behind to hook up with the Baroness. They find their duplicates' corpses.

I just saw a screening of KRULL for the very first time. Gloriously cheesy.
Looked up the main guy and WTF he's MICHAEL EDDINGTON, Sisko's "nemesis" from DS9?!?

Roddenberry replaced the entire [pilot] cast except for Nimoy. Shatner told Roddenberry that he liked the original pilot but it seemed like everyone in it was taking themselves too seriously. “About the only person who smiled in the whole episode was Spock,” he told Roddenberry. The producer agreed and gave Shatner the role.

Mr. Spock was a half-alien, half-human hybrid with straight eyebrows and pointed ears. Before casting him, Roddenberry had requested actors who looked like Lincoln. For his portrayal, Nimoy was inspired by Michael Rennie’s performance in the 1951 film, “The Day The Earth Stood Still,” a calm, rational alien who arrives to warn Earth against creating an atomic age. Meanwhile, Spock’s minimal movements were inspired by a Harry Belafonte concert Nimoy had attended where the singer had remained motionless for 10 full minutes. When Bellafonte simply raised his hand in the air, the crowd exploded. “It was gigantic,” Nimoy reportedly said, “because it came from a very minimal place.”

http://nypost.com/2016/02/14/leonard-nimoy-wasnt-speaking-to-william-shatner-when-he-died/

I'm reading "These are the Voyages", a book about the making of season 1 of TOS. I didn't know Nimoy got his big break in a Jean Genet play. (I didn't need to know how they made the Spock ears or who the key grips were. TMI.)

come on the gripwork on S1 is incredible

watched a couple episodes on Netflix recently and realized they are the nu-effects versions, which I hadn't actually watched before. They're pretty jarring/kind of terrible. Won't be getting rid of my DVDs any time soon...

I don't like the CG ship. The other changes are OK.

the only changes I noticed were 1) re-recorded themesong (which is just.. NO), 2) external shots all feature a CG enterprise + other elements (ships, planets, etc.) Are there others that I didn't catch? It looked like all the interior shots/scenery on the ship were unchanged...

Stuff on the viewscreen too, sort of falls into your #2 though.

Better establishing shots of planet surfaces, and some small things new viewers wouldn't notice.

Just watched Year of Hell 1&2, and I was a bit disappointed. The whole reset concept was more than a little maddening. Would much rather a show that then had them coping with a banged up drifting ship for half a season.

Nimoy did low-budget film versions of TWO Genet plays in the '60s before Trek, but i'm not sure if he did one or both on the stage first.

his break was deathwatch on stage. before that people thought he was too ugly. no mention of the balcony in the book.

here's nimoy and shatner together prior to star trek
https://youtu.be/LSQ3UqBKJ0o?t=1m30s

there's a list of the replaced spaceship shots here

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/tos_ships.htm

I like all the new effects stuff in TNG though - seems pretty seamless for once. And the remastering colours are really beautiful - I never thought of TNG as a beautiful show. This image from "The Survivors", for example.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x03/the_survivors_hd_091.jpg

I never thought of TNG as a beautiful show.

it was phenomenally ugly! imo. just the drabbest color scheme, dimly lit etc.

ST in general is really good at making space travel seem pretty drab and boring, imo

Yes - I remember it as being super ugly and v 90s drab, but the remasters just look *great*. Drab has dated well.

I was poor and lived in a trailer, so it looked like a super nice hotel to me. Loved it.

which decor of any of the series would you guys prefer to live in?

OST hands down

DS9 had pretty nice living quarters

If you like Cardassian design and architecture.

sisko's dad's place. louisiana with no crime, good air conditioning, and not sinking into the ocean. with instant or near-instant travel to anywhere on earth.

i was thinking more of the nice big windows

kirk's SF apartment has floor-to-ceiling views
http://www.filminamerica.com/Movies/StarTrek/02TheWrathOfKhan/wrath02.jpg
also rent is reasonable because they don't use money

Worf's quarters aboard the Enterprise D are interesting. Everything either has multiple sharp points, or is an uncomfortable chair.
http://funkboxing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/WorfsChairRender.jpg

kirk's sf apartment was my first thought and yeah whenever they need to they just replicate up some more bayfront property. would also like a tiny curtained meditation annex like spock has to his quarters. a thing on tng that i do like is the slim windows into space directly above the bunks.

Started watching TOS episodes for more or less the first time ever. Four out of the five so far have involved a well choreographed brawl or three. Still, the resolutions have relied on brain as much as brawn.

Then I watched a TNG episode where Riker cooks an omelette for his friends. Data says this is inefficient and Riker tells him a replicator lacks subtlety, flair, and individuality - he then proceeds to make scrambled eggs, and has to scrape them off the bottom of the pan when serving up. This might be the most ludicrous Star Trek scene I've ever come across - compounded by Dr Pulaski saying she's brought 'ale from Ennan Six' which looks more like brandy. Mmm, scrambled omelettes and ale!

I realise 'most ludicrous scene' is a bold claim for a franchise where e.g. two characters 'evolve' into primitive amphibians after exceeding warp 10, but I stand by it. It's the way no-one bats an eye as Riker dishes up his egg abomination, as though not only have they forgotten how to cook, they don't even know what an omelette is anymore.

Wait, take 3: it's ludicrous because the writers and actors and anyone involved with the scene irl apparently have no idea what an omelette is.

It's great that the rest of that episode (Time Squared - unless Riker makes a second omelette in an episode I haven't seen) is super dark and awesome.

I didn't dig it so much, seemed like a lot of standard tropes - mysterious entity! Time travel! Doppelgängers! - thrown together without much panache or originality. However it did have "the theory of the Moebius, a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop. Where time becomes a loop. Where time where time becomes a loop becomes a loop."

if Kirk used money maybe his hairpiece would look better

oh man Time Squared is one of the best. there is something instinctive and primal about cooking eggs i feel like bad eggs are a good "canary in a coal mine" for when a universe has been thrown off course or is generally behaving spooky.

watched some TNG season 4: "The Loss" is about as enjoyable as any episode could be where the already useless Troi losses her powers and just becomes annoying and grating. there was a side plot about her leaving the ship and i was really hoping it would happen. it's not even necessarily that the plot was bad or uninteresting but by it's nature it essentially turned her into an emo teenager just taking it out on all of her coworkers.

also "Data's Day", kind of fun but you have to suspend your disbelief cos there is no way Data would be living and studying with humans for years and yet be clueless to a human being upset that a wedding was called off. or that sarcasms is a thing that exists. this seems to be a problem w Data, they kind of reboot the character way too often, where it seems like he should be learning from his experiences..

I can't understand not enjoying Time Squared - I mean, I can, because obviously you didn't. But the mix of dayglo goofballishness and scifi and unexpectedly metal moments (Picard murders his own duplicate!) is perfectly distilled TNG (for me).

So hey you guys, surprised no one's been talking about this but the new Star Trek series: a) has Bryan Fuller at the helm (we knew that already), b) is set in the original ST universe and NOT the new movie universe, c) is set chronologically between TOS and TNG, and d) will be a seasonal anthology. It sounds like they're doing this right! I watched very little of Voyager and none of Enterprise but I'm pretty psyched for this one.