Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Jeebus, *poll.

like, an episode poll?

Yes!

An episode pole!

sure, I'd vote. My ballot would be almost entirely TOS though, there's really only a handful of TNG episodes I would single out and everything after that is p much garbage

That's fine, I'll probably just throw your ballot out. ^_^

i'm in

i'd probably participate in that though my ballot would be very skewed towards tng and ds9 since i haven't seen nearly as much of the others

i think i already have a ranked list somewhere of tos episodes :/

will happily share the morbs role with shakey (and possibly morbs?)

i totally forgot until a minute ago that there was another garbage star trek movie coming out. are they going to put that particular reboot to sleep after this one?

I doubt it, unless this one bombs. The reboot movies have been profitable so far.

this looks like the 'star trek: nemesis' of this series, though i'm not sure that holds up bc there's yet to be a 'first contact'

I'd participate solely to counteract the predominantly TOS ballots.

o i'm p sure they'd be in the extreme minority.

anyway def voting for darmok and ship in a bottle!

those are my tng favs too

IF I
COULD PUT
A SHIP
IN A BOTTLE...

Really? What examples are there of this besides the Borg? Because in most cases the conflicts rose from misunderstandings and/or alien customs, not from anyone being evil. Even the Borg were eventually humanised in "I, Borg" and "Descent".

It starts in season 4, and it's not every episode. In S4 Cardassians were introduced. They always seem on the verge of being non-evil, but then it's always a trick. Some other episodes I'm thinking of:

Identity Crisis (Braga). Geordi does a Hologram sim, discovers an extra shadow, it's alien monsters, they turn him into a lizard

The Game (Braga). Everyone is playing Angry Birds. It's a plot by evil aliens.

Time's Arrow. After an intriguing first part, it turns out to be evil aliens sucking the life force out of people. Oh, and Mark Twain.

Schisms (Braga). The alien abduction episode that had just been mentioned before my comment.

Aquiel (Braga & Moore). Geordi falls in love by watching tapes of a murder suspect. It turns out the murderer was an evil alien posing as a dog.

There were some season 1 aliens that could also qualify -- the tar monster that killed Tasha and the bug monsters taking over Starfleet. Season 1 was shit and they shouldn't have returned to these plots.

ahahah oh god i forgot that the DOG was the murderer in that one

Season 2 of TNG was when the Writer's Strike hit, right?

xxp I was just sad that more wasn't made of Riker and Worf getting probed, though the disappointment was off-set by the Data poetry reading and Worf getting a haircut and nearly murdering the (admittedly annoying) barber.

I've been watching Voyager from the beginning over the last some months, and tbh I like it more than I ever did seeing it in bits and pieces on TV. There's at least something of a storyline. The technobabble and "hoopla, we magically fixed this dire situation within one episode" thing grates, but every Trek series does this, so cant complain there.

Its been said before, but "The Gift", where Kes goes all psionic and "becomes" and disappears, was a straightup ripoff of "Mind War" from S1 of Babylon 5.

Babylon whatnow?

i don't think I have it in me to do a full watch through of Voyager right after finishing ds9 but i do want to hit some of the highlights whatever those may be

Its patchy, which everyone's said above (if not outright panned it, which.. eh? Its no better or worse than any other series).

Leeee: I am assuming yr kidding.

Its no better or worse than any other series

...

Any other trek series I meant, in the sense they all use technobabble, they all solve dire situations neatly within an episode (mostly, borg shit aside), they all have pretty camp OTT acting...

Dont think this is me knocking the show! But I do think Bab5 did long form storytelling and drama WAY better (sadly this gets lost on many people cos they go "ewww the effects look so dated")

Voyager is probably better than Enterprise! I don't know for sure, I didn't watch Enterprise.

There are probably like 10 good Voyager episodes, "The Thaw", the first Species 8172 two parter, and a bunch of Doc/7 stories.

a blank screen is better than Enterprise

xp

there isn't actually a lot of technobabble in tos. the occasional remark about shield fluctuations sure and lots of aliens with strange properties spock affects in the third act to fully understand, but nothing like the every-single-episode scene in tng where geordie and someone else recommend absolute nonsense to each other for like ten minutes until the episode's token peril is resolved. i'm not even sure tos (show not movies) has "dilithium" in it, tho i've probably just forgotten its appearances in the later episodes (for a while it's just lithium).

there is the occasional disaster of an episode like "the lazarus effect" where people do talk like geordie.

^^^

you guys have weirdly selective memories about TOS afaict

technobabble rot set in w TNG, where they would literally dick around for an entire episode before resolving the core conflict with a bunch of made up words

another garbage star trek movie coming out

the writer of Spaced / Shaun Of The Dead and the director of Community's paintball episode / Fast Five = the first Star Trek movie I might see in over two decades

I'm holding out hope it's better than the last one. It def has a better writer

The first reboot movie is okay! The second... is not.

Completely onboard participating in a Star Trek poll, in whatever form it takes shape. A top episodes poll would be good, with a separate vote for best series. Would be interesting to see how the best series votes compare with a derived ranking from the series' showings in the episodes poll.

Seems like 5 people is enough for the poll! Should the deadline be a month from whenever I (or if someone else wants to curate this, they) start the thread?

I should see if the dudes who made a list of essential/reasonable DS9 episodes did a Voyager guide. I rewatched a bunch of episodes last month and could make recommendations. There are some odd trend that set in, and the mid/late-seasons have a better hit rate than the earlier ones. Poor Harry Kim isn't allowed to find romance unless it's with a member of an alien race that hates outsiders or it's with a woman who is about to die (or died!). Poor Harry.

There's a very wtf episode where the doctor has to hide his program in Seven of Nine's borg implants and takes over her personality, leading to some creepy romantic tension when he uses her body in questionable ways that verges on being, or very much is, exploitative

I'm only up to where she first comes in the show (tho ive seen later eps before) and my bf is well pleased, because all he was waiting on was "Sevens cracking knockers". Sigh.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_101

VOY:
"Caretaker"
"Flashback"
"Scorpion" & "Scorpion, Part II"
"Year of Hell" & "Year of Hell, Part II"
"Timeless"
"Bride of Chaotica!"
"Dark Frontier"
"Relativity"
"Blink of an Eye"
"Endgame"

I'd add Distant Origin.

Voyager grew on me. Dreadfully boring for stretches, but had some real gems.

"Sevens cracking knockers".

straya

there is the occasional disaster of an episode like "the lazarus effect" where people do talk like geordie.

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what i meant here was "the alternative factor", which features a guy named lazarus and ends with kirk saying "but what of lazarus? what... of lazarus?" as if it means something. (metaphysical technobabble.) "the lazarus effect" is a movie i read the plot of last night while researching olivia wilde's filmography on wikipedia.

there are a lot of great non-campy performances in the original series imo

obv the acting style is very different, but i dunno i associate "campy" with something like the adam west batman, not someone like shatner who's deeply committed to everything he does (or at least did in his heyday). don't really think any of the other leads are campy either.