Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

I was going to joke about Star Trek: Temporal Cops but apparently there's a series of books addressing that contingency

maybe it would be
Star Trek: Relativity
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Relativity

Too Many Tribbles!

Channing Tatum wd be a great Kirk in the Star Trek musical

New series should focus only on the far flung backwater planets whose whole civilizations are modeled on randomly received broadcasts of 1950s tv

Planet Mayberry

Good news, everyone!

CBS has already announced that its as-yet-untitled Star Trek series will not directly connect with its JJ Abrams-produced movie franchise - a decision that fits quite well with a Next Generation-style companion project Fuller once touted.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek/feature/a783107/heres-what-star-treks-new-tv-series-could-look-like-with-bryan-fuller-at-the-helm/

really loving S4E5 "Remember Me" where Beverly Crusher finds herself in a reality where everything is disappearing, trying to figure out if she is going insane or not. very Twilight Zone.

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe..."

so great!!

the Worf episode in season 4 TNG is really heavy. wow. i don't really like that they went there writing-wise. it was still fascinating to watch and there aren't many full Worf episodes so it's definitely worth it. SPOILERS K'Ehleyr was a cool character why did they have to do that? too often dudes get to be space gods and ladies have to die on this show imo. oh well. Worf teaching his kid how to use that awesome Klingon blade was an all-time cute moment.

Worf: "What caused the explosion?"
Duras: (sarcastically) "It was a bomb."

That ep feels like the beginning of the bronze age of trek. It starts off with the standard formula of setting up a mystery to work on. But, instead of solving it, they fridge a girlfriend.

some fans > writers > producers (not me btw) seem to believe that the Kirk/Spock/McCoy (well, they kinda forgot about McCoy in the second reboot movie) is the ultimate representation of ST character dynamics

I wonder if this is a generational thing, of what the ideal(platonic/prototypical?) image when people think of ST.

Do you think Kirk/Spock/McCoy, or do you think TNG crew? Because I came of age when I did, it's the latter, tho I first encountered the former.

TNG

Yeah, exactly. The best bits of the Mass Effect games for me, for example, were when it was effectively Bioware doing their best TNG episodes.

Same here. First encountered the former through reruns (and The Voyage Home, which came out when I was 7, was a Big Deal) but TNG is baseline Trek for me. Must admit, even adjusting for pace, I find TOS kind of boring (although preferable to Enterprise or Voyager obvs).

One of the surprises of my ongoing rewatch is that Picard and Riker really don't seem to have that much chemistry together - but that doesn't seem to matter.

To me, as a TNG fan, the Ultimate Star Trek dynamics are (a) two characters having an awkward conversation in Ten Forward, (b) the very 1990s lack of macho-ness, and (c) the very 1990s clunky attitude to female characters. It's post-AIDS but pre-irony - touchy-feely but never meta.

As you can guess, yeah I'm definitely on TNG as the main thing, but DS9 is almost equal, as far as taking the whole "Space UN" concept further
But specifically what I was referring to was the trinity of KSM as heart/logic/reason, the later series avoid that kind of thing and make all the characters generally more complex (and far more conflicted in DS9)

TNG and DS9 are essentially equal to me. Difference is I watched one as it was on as a kid, the other not completely until I was an adult.

Interesting!

http://io9.gizmodo.com/wrath-of-khan-director-nicholas-meyer-joins-the-star-tr-1761564904

englisher trekkies: first 4 films on ch5 over this coming weekend (1 on sat, 2, 3, 4 on sun)

i only care about tos

sorry that was re yesterday's discussion not just a combative non sequitur

TNG is fake Trek

They had the Data poetry recital & Riker being probed by subspace insects episode on UK Sci-Fi channel:

Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature.
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents.
You would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance.
And when not being utilized to aid in locomotion,
It often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.
Oh Spot, the complex levels of behavior you display
Connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array,
And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend,
I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.

at some point in TNG, "new life and new civilizations" became "evil aliens that like to fuck with humans"

Really? What examples are there of this besides the Borg? Because in most cases the conflicts rose from misunderstandings and/or alien customs, not from anyone being evil. Even the Borg were eventually humanised in "I, Borg" and "Descent".

I'm on season 2 now and just watched this very awkward episode.

https://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/tng-theoutrageousokona91.jpg

"Now, that's sex appeal."

A whole subplot about Data's yearning to learn the nuances of 80s stand-up comedy.

at some point in TNG, "new life and new civilizations" became "evil aliens that like to fuck with humans"

so far the evil ones are mostly people/aliens they already know. last entirely new alien episode i saw was "The Tin Man" which was about them doing everything they could to preserve new life form that has taken the shape of a spaceship. the Borg seems to really be the only wholly evil aliens in it. but i'm halfway through season 4 maybe this will change.

I'm on season 2 now and just watched this very awkward episode.

season 2 has some clunkers. the first one with Troi's mom is pretty bad too but the one where Data tries learning how to be a comedian from Joe Piscopo is all-time worst.

fwiwi i thought having a Star Wars-style dashing space pirate aboard the stuffy Enterprise was funny/interesting

there's def some kind of generational split between TNG and TOS fandom. TNG will always be second-rate to me. It's okay and occasionally great but its flaws are much more glaring and less tolerable.

The Borg aren't evil! Just amoral.

well yeah evil in the subjective sense. maybe in the same way you wouldn't think twice about killing a bug.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/9/91/Jerry_Lewis_impersonation.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121213025929&path-prefix=en

Huh, I didn't recognize Teri Hatcher in that episode.

http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teri-hatcher-trek.png

teri hatcher had some singular guest roles for a young me back in the day (TNG, night court, seinfeld)

Hey so I completely misremembered the responses to my idea about floating a an All-Treks ballot pole, are our Trekkies Trekkers still interested in one?

Jeebus, *poll.

like, an episode poll?

Yes!

An episode pole!

sure, I'd vote. My ballot would be almost entirely TOS though, there's really only a handful of TNG episodes I would single out and everything after that is p much garbage

That's fine, I'll probably just throw your ballot out. ^_^

i'm in

i'd probably participate in that though my ballot would be very skewed towards tng and ds9 since i haven't seen nearly as much of the others

i think i already have a ranked list somewhere of tos episodes :/

will happily share the morbs role with shakey (and possibly morbs?)

i totally forgot until a minute ago that there was another garbage star trek movie coming out. are they going to put that particular reboot to sleep after this one?

I doubt it, unless this one bombs. The reboot movies have been profitable so far.