Magic: The Gathering C/D

yeah cruise didn't make it very long. I was playing ur delver the whole time and while it was format warping, you weren't invincible, there wasn't some TC build that could have a 95% win rate at the pro tour. in the long-term I'm not sure that DTT wasn't actually the stronger card than TC, since it slotted better into already t1 blue builds, whereas TC just resulted in a new one.

actually 'a stronger card than'

getting one more card for one less mana means cruise is probably the stronger card but they do slightly different things for a deck obv. treasure cruise was the saddest modern ban for me especially because it didnt feel like that version of the format was super unhealthy or had bad t1 decks. also i just really liked playing u/r delver in modern

i think the two non-eldrazi decks that im most interested in playing in detroit are blue moon and goryo's vengeance. pre-pt i had been having some minor success with faeries playing on mtgo but that plan is certainly dead

in legacy I think cruise was way better, but in modern twin and scapeshift could use DTT to just tutor up a win on command. but they also didn't *need* it the same way that the UR delver builds needed TC.

I think if I were going to a major tournament I would probably copy that blue moon build that did well at the pro tour. I love pia and kiran nalaar. or merfolk with 4 spreading seas 4 sea's claim.

i like blue moon but i'm gonna wait for someone to tune it for the post-pt field before i try it

Some of my friends started playing this game a cpl months ago and now all their conversations sound like this thread and its sad and I don't want to be friends anymore

it is all-consuming

eternal masters

eternal....masters

it's me, the tooth collector
http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/WdcMPi29qa.png

wtf are Innistrad 2 previews starting already

Apparently OGW season is a bit on the short side

just the cards from the duel deck since that's out soon

Now with a few drafts under my belt, I think OOB draft is a step up from 3xBFZ, not sure how big yet. C is an interesting mechanic for draft and possibly more for deckbuilding, and I like that you can include as much or little as you want. Blue is a little weak but at least all the colors are playable again (and blue could stand to be weak for a set). I do think the BFZ pack ends up being pretty clunky though - half the mechanics don't do much now. Converge was bad before, but now with everyone splashing C... poor little mechanic, never really got its moment. I'd probably prefer 3xOGW to OOB, honestly

I've only played Wastes with Walker or with search effects. Otherwise, it seems like there are enough better options

Are they planning to do OBB once the release period is over? that should play a lot differently. I agree that OOB > BBB

Converge never did a lot in triple BFZ, in fact with three common lands in Oath that produce any color I think the mechanic works a little better (even if there's a lot less of it around now)

Ingest is the one that seems totally nerfed, which sucks since it was my favorite mechanic to play in BFZ.

no, small-small-big is the new normal, it's OOB permanently and will be the same for all blocks going forward. they finally realized that getting only 1 pack of the new set and 2 of the one you'd been drafting for months already was a bummer.

note that small sets have like 30 more cards than before to make this work, they're more like medium sets now

Yeah was gonna ask about that. I haven't really kept up since that change was made. Definitely a good change, I remember when Born of the Gods came out and felt worse than just doing 3x Theros, I think you do need the 2nd pack to do something that fits into the set's mechanics

Yeah Ingest is meaningless now. At least the Processors sometimes still give you the bonus, because of the incidental exile in OGW

i think OOB is really good, up there with khans x3 for the best limited format since i started playing. there are a lot of fun cards and fun interactions - nearly every time i draft a deck that i am excited about playing with, outside of just how good/effective it seems. the bfz pack adds an interesting dimension, i am not sure if the format would be better for being 3 packs of ogw, maybe. it does mean you want to have like 17 playables when you exit pack 2, which is not that big a deal on one hand because most of the colours are pretty deep, but if you have had to change lanes it can be brutal, and planned-for payoff in pack 3 might just not get there. the death of ingest/process for the most part is definitely a bummer. if you had that deck in bfzx3 then you could expect to get full value out of the one-shotters e.g. murk strider, mind raker, as a matter of course but it usually feels pretty bad now if i have one of those in my deck.

wrt converge, a curve card like the green common dude is not appealing at all but with the incidental fixing from the better colourless lands i have been able to drop the ugx flier and exert influence for 4 relatively painlessly. the draw spell might be better now too. also, at the moment those guildgate style lands can go pretty late, so the support is there to be greedy on colours if you prioritize it.

for sure, I've had much more success doing 3-color in OOB. W/B/U lifegain/Elradzi and W/G/R support/allies are both real fun to play.

yeah i like OOB better than a lot of recent formats

innistrad is still the best limited format of all time though imo, hope the sequel gets even halfway there

beat jon finkel today at a legacy event for his charity :O

niice

what's yr legacy deck of choice?

death and taxes splash red for imperial recruiter / magus of the moon.

he was obviously on storm.

every so often i am tempted to put a legacy deck together irl but the format changes just often enough to dissuade me; the 2 decks i've played in the past in proxy tournaments / legacy MOCSes are welder MUD and G/W maverick which have both fallen heavily out of favor in recent years

awesome, iatee!

I love legacy and NY has a pretty good scene. w/ modern the way it is now I pretty much can't see playing another modern game until they ban eldrazi:

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=28&start_date=2/202016&end_date=02/21/2016&start=1&finish=32&event_ID=47&city=Louisville&state=KY&country=US&limit=50

like seriously, emergency ban shouldn't be out of the question.

yeah, I was willing to suspend judgment after the PT because it was such a limited field and you have teams all playing the same deck, but after this weekend it's clear the deck needs to go

Agreed, though I pretty much gave up on Modern last year well before the menace, so I'm just laughing from the sidelines. If you look at the sideboards of the winning decklists from the SCG Open, you barely see anything for Eldrazi, and people are obviously aware of this deck now. There's no Stony Silence type card which completely wrecks the deck if drawn. Ensnaring Bridge is the closest but can't be played by every deck, easily answerable in the SB, and sometimes not even fast enough! Blood Moon slows the deck down, but only for a turn or two. Not to mention they can get down enough threats pre-Blood Moon where it doesn't even matter. Painter's Servant is a joke and answered by the maindeck Dismember. This is at the level of Affinity's run in Standard so I think a ban on Eye or Temple will happen. I'm hoping to sell off my Eyes before that day comes

they don't do emergency bannings anymore, next B&R is only a month and a half away so they'll just let it play out until then

I didn't realize the next b+r was so close, I guess we can wait it out

It's funny how much more degenerate eldrazi is than either twin or amulet

this is by far the most ive enjoyed modern since treasure cruise got banned. theres enough interesting ways to build around the the eye/temple/urborg base that you can build your eldrazi deck to beat anything including the other eldrazi decks. its like playing block constructed except your decks are crazy powerful

yeah before the pt i was expecting the eldrazi deck to be like ancient stirrings / wasteland strangler / thought-knot seer / oblivion sower, not an aggro deck

I could see this being fun if, like block constructed, you treat it as a temporary format. but it did 'displace' a large part of constructed magic in the process. my biggest problem w/ these decks is that they are super easy to play and totally draw dependent. during pod/twin era you couldn't just toss someone one of those decks and say 'welcome to modern' but pretty much anyone who knows how to play magic can pilot any of these eldrazi decks. even the ones that are tuned to beat the mirror - which is, reasonably, most of them now ! - you still depend on getting a good opening hand and mulliganing well.

incidentally the eldrazi deck is solid and basically fair in legacy, despite having 16 ancient tombs. that is its eventual home.

tbh making modern players unhappy is part of the charm. also ppl who are too stupid to play the obv best archetype

modern's not really a format where people can always afford to play the best archetype though, especially when a lot of the archetypes liable to become the best are linear and don't share cards with other decks

i only own one modern deck and i either play that deck or just ignore the format during times when it's bad. this was less of an issue when my deck was pod because pod was never bad but whoops

i can kind of understand it in paper but on mtgo (which is all i really play) theres not that much cost to just buying in since w/e i lose selling in april is less than i will have won. esp if i get a pt invite or w/e out of it

oh yeah modo is definitely different, i buy in and out of stuff on there a lot

Aaron Forsythe
‏@mtgaaron
The Eldrazi have left huge footprints on Modern, but we aren't issuing any "emergency" bans. We'll assess everything on the normal timeline.

Aaron Forsythe
‏@mtgaaron
@A22en The format currently doesn't match what we want it to be; that doesn't mean when should be altering the Banned List at random times.

that's about as he can get to just saying 'yes we plan on banning eldrazi w/ the next b/r announcement'

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/waiting-hardest-part-2016-02-24

sealed leagues finally coming Mar 2

wow, it's about damn time!

my main issue with playing MTGO these days is the time constraint. 2-hour events are manageable but OOB drafts tend to take closer to 3, as the format seems to invite a lot of really long games.

quick calculation from an EV standpoint though says these things are not great, you average about 130 play points (assuming a 50/50 win rate) and I dunno what the average tix value is of the 6 boosters, assuming like 4-5 tix you're still paying $10 a pop for these. unless my math is all wrong.

been waiting like 5 years for sealed leagues, its about time

the 'rake' on these is lower than drafts, higher than release sealeds. seems reasonable

yeah either way I'll be doing them a lot, like being able to play in 40-minute chunks or whatever is super appealing to me, as is not having to wait for everyone else to finish. I've probably given up a ton of EV by just dropping out of events due to bad connection or other obligations - for example my 1-year-old wakes up and starts crying in between rounds