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I always figured the shadow in the room was Palmer (the constantly stoned guy). It looked like him, anyway.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know if anyone ever explicitly acknowledged a debt, but there are big similarities.

Occasional poster Matt Maxwell mentioned this in conversation to me a few years back; it's an understandable comparison to draw.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

Cool ned! I'm a big Lovecraft fan and this was always one of my favorite horror movies.

sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago) link

I am not aware of any big similarities between The Thing and At The Mountains Of Madness.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

There's this thing called a 'setting,' see. (And beyond that I can think of others.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, setting, yeah. then there is also things that come with the setting, like snow, dogs, it being very cold, and so on. but one of them features a lost city of the Elder Race, while the other doesn't. And one of them features a shape-shifting alien that infects people, and the other doesn't.

crucially, there are no mountains in The Thing, or giant penguins, or shoggoths.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

Those giant penguins, I like them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

I wish there were real giant penguins.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

Named Opus.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

the Thing vs. Mountains of Madness shares some plot. (Really searching the memory so some of this might be wrong).

-In Mountains of Madness, before discovering the mountains, the Antarctic expedition from Miskatonic U. used special drills and dug up what they thought were petrified remains of an unknown life form. The remains are left on a dissection table in a tent. They turn out not to be petrified at all, the heat allows them to revive, and they eat everybody in the camp. The 2 main characters have been away on a scouting trip in a plane, and they return and find nothing but tracks in the snow. For the rest of the book they are haunted by what might, or might not be the Old Ones hunting them outside in the snow (they can't tell if it's howling or just the wind.)

In the movie the frozen alien was left to thaw on a dissection table, and ate an entire Norwegian outpost leaving nothing but tracks. The two main character Americans figure this out after a helicopter trip. When they return to their base they are haunted for the rest of the movie by what might, or might not be the alien hunting them in the shape of their friends.

-If I remember right, Carpenter's vs. of The Thing has some kinds of hints that the shapeshifter was able to reach populated areas, but the two remaining characters are already going to die and can't warn anybody. A paranoid, doomy ending instead of a victory (like in the original movie) is a pretty Lovecraftian touch.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:55 (twenty years ago) link

the feel of the stories is very different. Lovecraft's is cosmic horror (ohmygod, human life was created by aliens! (a new and exciting concept in the 1920s)) while The Thing is more visceral horror (ohmygod, I am being eaten by aliens!).

the ancient things in the Lovecraft story are not like the Thing (although arguably the shoggoths kind of are).

anyway, tekeli-li.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
All I could think of when I watched this movie last night (on my new dvd, hooray) was that all poor MacReady wants to do is go up to his shack and drink, and that it's pretty rude of the Thing to keep a man from his shack-drinkin'.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

Really cool story, the movie retold from the Thing's perspective: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

The last line is pretty cringey though

Dan I., Monday, 11 January 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link

re: Carpenter and Lovecraft: anybody seen In The Mouth of Madness? I watched it with some friends and the general consensus was that it did a great job of capturing the feel of Lovecraft, but we were all v. high and I am having trouble remembering specifics.

I got gin but I'm not a ginger (bernard snowy), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I knew about the reboot or whatever but wait a goddamn minute:

So what makes "The Thing" different? First off, the film isn't so much a remake as a prequel, or what the producers are calling a companion piece to the original. As "Thing" fans may recall, early in the film, trying to understand why a Norwegian helicopter had been chasing a runaway husky before it crashed, Kurt Russell returns to the Norwegian base camp where he finds evidence that its research team -- now all dead -- had dug something out of the ice, apparently awakening an extraterrestrial creature that had been buried for thousands of years.

"That's the story we tell in this film," says Marc Abraham, who is producing the movie with his Strike Entertainment partner Eric Newman. "We go back to that original Norwegian camp and try to figure out what happened. It's like a crime scene, with an ax in the door, and the audience gets to be the detective, trying to piece together what horrible things have occurred."

In the fine tradition of the prequel to The Exorcist.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

except... that there was a fairly recent video game that covered all this ground already!

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/4/457774_front.jpg

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Kinda thinking about playing that at some point, just out of curiosity. I heard that it was kind of a buggy mess, but still interesting? It might already be too dated to go back to, though...

Nhex, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link

really great game imo. i bet it would still play great. has a nice squad system and manages to work in some nice scares. quite tough tho.

aarrissi-a-roni, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

haha the biologist who goes crazy and builds a spaceship in a cave in the ice = called BLAIR do you SEE?

wait, um no I don't see!

what was Mark on about here...?

Get the Flaps Out (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

probably a Tony Blair reference...?

smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

or the facts of life

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought the game was a sequel rather than a prequel

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

if it wasn't though it should have been

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

game was a sequel

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a good sign that the new movie is going to have a cast of complete unknowns. that at least gives one hope. isn't it weird that NONE of the original '82 cast have ever done much since?

piscesx, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Well I'm sure Kurt Russell would like us all to forget Cap'n Ron and all but he has done other things.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

ah yeah i meant aside from the big guy.

piscesx, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

keith david & wilford brimley kept p busy

:3 (cankles), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Love this movie and enjoyed the game a lot too tbh.

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

called BLAIR do you SEE?

ref to exorcist yes?

bracken free ditch (Ste), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link

and try to figure out what happened. It's like a crime scene, with an ax in the door, and the audience gets to be the detective, trying to piece together what horrible things have occurred."

erm but we kinda know already

bracken free ditch (Ste), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 09:18 (fourteen years ago) link

keith david & wilford brimley kept p busy

Yeah, David Clennon, Richard Masur, Richard Dysart and Charles Hallahan did, too. Solid, well-known TV work if nothing else. (I mean, leading roles on "thirtysomething" and "LA Law" for several seasons are hardly "nothing.")

This prequel strikes me as a perfect example of audience-insulting misguidedness. Does anyone really need a road map as to what happened at the Norwegian camp? Not really hard to piece together.

Like a sausage or snake, smooth and soft (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

i can just smell it: another joyless, poorly edited shitfest that adds nothing to the previous movie apart from needless backstory that could have been guessed by anyone who saw the original.

and it probably won't even make that much money! there is literally NO REASON to make this movie!

soon to be major motion picture starring john wayne (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

wtff
i hate this to the core of whatever disgusting mass of faux-humanity concocted it over a fusion-food speed-lunch meeting

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

xp!
nothing is sacred :(

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but carpenter was remaking! and that was good! cmon people be hopeful!

drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I gotta vote with rrrobyn and latebloomer here just because that photo looks so wrong.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

oh come on like you guys would have been all "oh for sure that's gonna be awse" if it was 1982 and you were seeing this

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/kurt-russell-john-carpenter-the-thing12.jpg

drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes! Because that does look awesome!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Hell I remember when the Escape from New York ads and posters were running and I couldn't understand why my mom wouldn't let me see it.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link

right now is not a good era for remakes, as far as i've witnessed, that's the thing :/
xp
it looks so awesome

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post

this isn't a remake, though! it's a prequel to a remake.

we live in an age of movies-as-fan-fiction. it's really depressing.

soon to be major motion picture starring john wayne (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link

right now is not a good era for remakes, as far as i've witnessed, that's the thing :/

exactly

soon to be major motion picture starring john wayne (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link

we live in an age of movies-as-fan-fiction. it's really depressing.

― soon to be major motion picture starring john wayne (latebloomer), Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:40 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm

dayo, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

prequel is worse, it's true! can nothing remain mystery? fan-fiction with big budget! gahhhh
i do wish it could be good, as i wish all sci-fi movies could be good. but then, i wished so hard about Alien 4. never forget.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

gotta say, wtf is with that brutalist ice tunnel they are running through. did antarctic researchers really have time to hire architects to stylize their bases.

dayo, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/The_Thing_From_Another_World_01.jpg

this is pretty awesome

dayo, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, the picture. haven't read the comic

dayo, Sunday, 10 October 2010 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link


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