S/D: Gay movies of arty qualities

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Oh wait, The Warriors.

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 03:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's an old flick called Becket with Peter O'Toole & Richard Burton that's about King Henry II that has gay undertones, but done in such a subtle manner so as not to offend the masses in the '60s when it was made. Anyone see this?

oh, i think that a bare-chested henry II whipping himself to a bloody pulp at beckett's tomb is pretty not-subtle if you ask me.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

re beckett: since it was based on a french play on the same subject, i've always wondered if the original play also has all of those "hey, sailor!" moments.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

I remember a movie called Sebastian, with music by Eno from the late 70s/early 80s that was pretty gay. Set in Roman times, and largley (entirely?) in Latin.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Derek Jarman'll do that for ya.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

You gotta love the French flick Funny Felix, where the protagonist is both gay and HIV positive, yet neither of those is what the movie's about.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean, it's rare to see a film where HIV just happen to be something the main character lives with, rather than dies to.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Kenneth Anger vol. 1 to finally be released by Fantoma in November.

http://www.fantoma.com/fantoma.html

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

directors to search:

george/mike kuchar
kenneth anger
jim hubbard
tom chomont
lawrence brose
james broughton
joel singer
jerry tartaglia
jack smith
willard maas
chantal akerman
su friedrich
barbara hammer
marlon riggs
john greyson

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 1 October 2006 16:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Some of my favorites:

Mala Noche
My Own Private Idaho
Naked Lunch
Wild Reeds
Water Drops on Burning Rocks
Tropical Malady

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked But I'm a Cheerleader a lot

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

I know it's an "independent" film, but so was Velvet Goldmine, and I'm fairly certain that film has no place in this kind of discussion.

very puzzling that this is the only (wrongheaded) mention of todd haynes on this thread. don't pretty much all of haynes' movies fit exactly this description?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to see how the Dylan pic fits the criteria (no snark intended, by the way).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah. well, maybe in the way that t.h.'s movies are all about identity in various ways (which always seems at least implicitly tied to gayness, and explicitly in a lot of them). dylan's a good case study in the creation and manipulation of identity, and also the way it can be a trap, etc. (i assume that's the point of having so many different actors play the part.) anyway, i'm looking forward to that movie.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

also david lynch possibly has a place in the discussion, homophobe tho he may be. mulholland drive is on logo a lot, and he also seems like one of the most obvious descendants of kenneth anger, cinematically.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

how is Lynch a homophobe? I admit: homos exist for him for fetishizing purposes (eyeliner, feyness, white powder, "In Dreams").

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

well yeah, homophobe might not be fair. i'm mostly thinking of the dean stockwell character there, who's kind of a poison-queen archetype (and lynch's archetypes tend to be kind of reactionary in general). but at the same time, the first time i saw scorpio rising i thought, "wow, david lynch has seen this movie a hundred times."

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

After several dozen screenings, I still can't say for certain that Dean Stockwell IS gay -- or whether it matters. He's just a mincing weirdo, the most outrageous element in that most outrageous of scenes.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Anyone familiar with this new Mexican director Julián Hernández? His A Thousand Clouds of Peace... was really something -- like early Van Sant, only more elliptical, and he's got one that just opened in NYC, Broken Sky, that sounds like it will attract tons of Chelsea boys (for the young Latin flesh) who will go to sleep (from all the pining and wandering, 140 minutes' worth).

http://slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=2552

Kenneth Anger in person at an hourlong screening of his 'essentials' next Saturday night at the NY Film Fest (tix still available):

http://www.filmlinc.com/nyff/program/avantgarde/kennethanger.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

wow, Two Drifters is outrageous and deadpan. Less sex than O Fantasma but even more pervy, it's true. Strangest needledrop score too -- Andy Williams to Bright Eyes!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2007 19:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Jackass 2 belongs here?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

That Kenneth Anger thing is coming to the Walker in Minneapolis soon. I should go!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

what's the deal w jackass 2?

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

NEWSIES

― Abbott (Abbott), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

(x-post) It's sort of a weird crypto AIDS movie in which gayness is surpressed with self-imposed body abuse. Until the finale, when the thin line is crossed and it sucks big time.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

'Boys in the Band' is great at conjuring up a long-gone past.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

well, so is Private Idaho

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

jackass 2 may be gay, but it sure isn't arty.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

There are a bunch of similar-ish French gay arty movies, generally about confused young working class men who get their kit off and have angst re their masculinity/ sexuality/ hottness etc etc

I am thinking of Presque Rien (studenty bloke has failed suicide attempt and thinks back to holiday gay romance that lead him to it), Le Clan (hot brothers have various types of angst), Wild Side (pre op tranny brings her two boyfriends to help look after her sick mum) etc. They are all quite slow and elliptical but worth watching

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, Le Clan had its moments but was mostly worth it for the beefcake (directed by one actor from Wild Reeds, starring another -- same with the similarly meh Full Speed).

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New print of Becket about to show in NYC.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I LOVE Newsies but my sister got dibs on the VHS copy. I surrendered it for the tape of "Treasure Island" with Charleton Heston and 16 year-old Christian Bale.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

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Le Clan was pretty ridiculous in the amount of nudity in it, not that I was complaining. Agree that Full Speed was pretty meh

Presque Rien is probably the best of the ones I mentioned and also stars that same actor (Stephane Rideaux?).

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes, Rideau -- he's good in Wild Reeds and always a visual treat.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is he gay? He was rather fetching in the awful American-style-artiness of Come Undone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure but yes, he is v foxy. He seems to be typecast as gay rough trade anyway. He was in an Ozon film too, though I haven't seen it yet.

That other Ozon film about the bloke dying of cancer (Time to Leave) = another arty gay type film

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Ozon film is so bad I had to throw up with embarrassment, not least for what he does to Jeanne Moreau.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh foo! Moreau is not allowed to go makeupless a la Dench?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

the subplot where he fathers a kid after some waitress in a caff decides that he looks nice is surely the worst part of that film

the bit with Jeanne M was the only bit that made me feel a bit tearful

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't be objective, as I have been in lust with Melvil Poupaud since Tale of Summer. I agree on the child thing, but I thought making him such a prick mostly worked.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

He is v handsome but a bit too skinny for my taste (like, even before he had film cancer)

A quick look at wikipedia and Stephane Rideau appears to be straight (he has a girlfriend and a kid at any rate)

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Moreau section is Old Lady Award Baiting. In a British film Lynn Redgrave would played her part.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

or Sarah Miles!

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Does anymore remember this Spanish film from a few years back about two teenage boys trying to come into terms with their sexuality during a summer holiday? It was pretty good, but I can't recall its name... If I remember correctly, the movie title was the word they used for mutual masturbation, but the word itself escapes me.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Nico & Dani? The blond was delicious.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's it, thanks! (The original title is "Krámpack".)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

By the way, I just saw Shortbus a couple of weeks ago, and it was pretty good. Lots of straight action in it too.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Many of the films being mentioned in the recent posts look suspiciously less like art and more like gay arthouse.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

What's the difference?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

Arthouse = boutique = not art but decoration.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

And by "art" you mean...?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

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