2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

i think it speaks to how fractured / weak feminism or the feminist movement has become that the GOP can claim any criticism of sarah palin is misogynist.

i was canvassing for obama outside of scranton, PA last weekend and several women brought up GOP talking points re: palin. registered democrats, too. & they really seemed to have a sense that any woman in public office = victory for women.

this has probably been said already, but it's so ironic that the fracturing of these potentially radical, or at least comfortably liberal, movements (like feminism, womanism, etc) now has created material for the potential rise of people holding ridiculously sexist agendas... & it doesn't seem to me like the left is currently able to reclaim any of their rhetoric.

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lol yeah that shit is totally feminism's fault

now that's what I call reading comprehension

well i agree that it's ironic, only i'd use a stronger word like "sickening." if by "feminism has become fractured and weak," pterodactyl means that opportunists have been able to take advantage of the divorce between feminism as a set of beliefs/political goals and a contentless cooptation of the specific goal of greater presence of women in political life, i agree. i guess i'd characterize the problem differently: the left & everyone has been engaged in the contentless cooptation of feminist rhetoric for a while and now it's devalued.

Actually Palin's MO is total post-feminism, but there you go. Aspire to influence, money and power using all the same venal tricks that men do, call sexism when judged/subpoenaed on it in the same way a man would be.

Also this:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/tl5xazv3nucritnggvi34q.gif

Gad, I can't begin to recall the number of times well-meaning feminists of my generation have repeated the canard that "if only women were heads of state, there would be no more wars". Every time I hear this I flinch.

It's also a line uttered by the decidedly non-feminist Ruth Wilcox in Howards End.

it's so superficial. i work in a public HS and walk around all day hearing girls called (by each other, but more often by boys) bitch, slut, whore, and everything else. & then you ask them what they want to do in the future and 50% of them say "get married." & then you bring up sarah palin and they say, "we could have a woman vice president!" as if finally gender equality will have been achieved.

and i went out for a beer with some teachers last friday, sat around with a group of 4 women, and they talked about how they need to scoop out the insides of their bagels b/c those are empty calories and how else are they going to get laid?

& then you bring up sarah palin and they say, "we could have a woman vice president!" as if finally gender equality will have been achieved.

no offense, but taking the pulse of the country by relying on what 16 year olds say is pretty dumb

Um...I think I know what you're getting at, but I hope I'm misunderstanding you.

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there's a reason 16 year olds can't vote

i think that a whole lot of the country believes in that narrative, not just 16 year old girls!

i just brought it up in that it's strange to be surrounded by a group of people who so clearly (from my POV) could benefit from a feminist movement but who have latched onto this instead--at least for the moment.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What does watching your weight by scooping out the insides of bagels have to do with feminism?

it's a metaphor

Sometimes a bagel is just a bagel.

I mean, I don't eat potato chips or drink Coke because (a) they don't taste good (b) they make me gain weight, and I like to get laid too.

some potato chips taste good Alfred! maybe you just haven't found the right potato chip for you

or the right man! Maybe the problem is related.

I do like fried plantain chips. I need to find a guy as savory as a fried plantain chip.

no bagels in Florida? ;-)

i'm not a big fan of potato chips either, alfred!

no bagels in Florida? ;-)

I prefer English muffins.

Andrew Halcro:

After reading my opinion column in the Anchorage Daily News this morning, fellow Alaskan blogger Tom Lamb, asks "Why is it that Andrew Halcro who is so critical of Palin, wanted to be on the same ticket with her."

That's an easy answer; because I believed Sarah Palin had the qualifications to be a terrific Lt. Governor. And watching her struggle to give coherent answers on the national stage, I believe more today than ever before she has the qualifications to be a terrific Lt. Governor.

SNAP

snap xp lol

hahaha!

I've been in many, many debates," said McCain. "And a lot of the times I don't look at my opponents because I'm focusing on the people and the American people that I'm talking to. That's what the debate's all about."

this debate would make lots more sense if mccain thought he was debating us!!

A couple of things:

1) lol Andrew Halco
2) Ally, if you can't get behind the "PEW PEW PEW!" thing, I don't know how else to convince that that Palin skit was funny. I will agree that the later sketches were great because they were so arbitrary and random, and also because they featured Kenan Thompson.

Actually Palin's MO is total post-feminism, but there you go. Aspire to influence, money and power using all the same venal tricks that men do, call sexism when judged/subpoenaed on it in the same way a man would be.

I love you and want to bear your children

also because they featured Kenan Thompson

Deep House Dish needs to finally die, c'mon!

ber-kay!

The less funny that skit is, the better it is!

That skit is the epitome of "wtf this is completely nonsensical" awesomeness that will make you crack the fuck up 3 days later, kind of like the best Tracy Morgan sketches.

yes! also bear force

the wedding dress one was the best though. "shiiiii-yeah"

"You don't talk abrout someone while you are still in their aural area!"

after the scores skit i was like, uh didn't scores just shut down and has to reopen as a juice bar because it lost its liquor licence? no champaigne room for anyone lol

New York Women Republicans President was just on Fox News and was discussing "former Hilary Clinton supporters now proudly wearing their Democrats for McCain shirts throughout the city." Anchor asks "What are their motivations for crossing party lines to support Senator McCain over the standard bearer of their own party?"

Answer: "I've talked with dozens of these women and they tell me that it has nothing to do with the issue of being a Democrat or a Republican and everything to do with getting a woman into the White House. Let's keep in mind that it's the year 2008 here."

Essentialism v. Racism FITE = win-win.

"throughout the city" -- i have never seen one person doing this?

in fairness, there are about 7,000,000,000,000,000,000 ppl in nyc

yeah but i mean i work by penn station and i live in downtown brooklyn so i see 5,500,000,000,000 of those people every day.

maybe it's ppl in staten island.

this skit wasn't as funny because the interview kinda spoke for itself

yes, this is what i'm saying: if your satire comes off as more reasonable and lucid than the actual subject of your satire then it is a fail and i have no idea how you fix that, in this situation. though the blinking was pretty amusing.

the blinking sort of drove 'the interview speaks for itself' home

That's why SNL hasn't done any Biden skits.

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/9/6/1/charlie-rose-green-room-with-sarah-palin

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