OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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we've got nine months to prepare our group halloween costume

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 23 January 2016 15:18 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

fed up of this thread scoring cheap easy laughs from non-native English speakers

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 February 2016 22:17 (eight years ago) link

I'm missing the "worst" here

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link

"I wonder what he could be texting him? Maybe song lyrics? Probably song lyrics. Unfortunately, none of the other gay Oscar winners seem to care to participate in Twitter culture, so no further shade was found. And oh, what shade there could have been."

this kinda stuff bothers me on a "news source" as it's not any more evolved than college level tumblr fodder

ulysses, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link

you might want to avoid the following list of music sites: all of them

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link

no comment

ulysses, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link

loooool katherine

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link

you might want to avoid the following list of music sites: all of them
Real lolz.

hardcore dilettante, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link

This really needs to be preserved. I actually like this album, and this review makes me hate it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc31Gu5W8AAKelL.jpg

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 6 March 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link

this reminds me of exercises in like high school English where they challenge you to write sentences with multiple descriptive adjectives.

God that is painful.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 March 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

reads a bit like one of Pushead's reviews from Maximum Rocknroll in the 1980s, but way more po-faced

drive me to a girly rave (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 6 March 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link

I know someone who writes exactly like that, all the time. Facebook posts... Probably shopping lists, too.

hardcore dilettante, Sunday, 6 March 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link

kinda reminds me of how i wrote all the time in college

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Sunday, 6 March 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Not one of yours mencap? ;)

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 6 March 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link

I know a writer who does something similar when writing about jazz. He's also a big fan of (at least this is what I guess is his method) writing a sentence with normal/appropriate nouns and adjectives, then busting out the thesaurus and replacing each one with something two steps removed. The result is that his reviews read like they were written by a self-educated extraterrestrial who thinks he's really, really smart.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 6 March 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link

that kind of writing always makes me think of "the eye of argon", which in turn always makes me smile.

we should have a thread for good writing screwed by shitty clickbait-driven editorial. for instance, this is actually a splendid obit, but oh god that headline is awful:

http://www.mtv.com/news/2750555/nikolaus-harnoncourt-was-classical-musics-punk-genius/

diana krallice (rushomancy), Thursday, 10 March 2016 12:21 (eight years ago) link

that was actually one of the most interesting music things i've read in awhile

robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:01 (eight years ago) link

Rotting Christ review is the new winner of the thread, if only because this writer uses (and invents) figures of speech without bothering to picture what the hell he is actually saying:

"majesty" cannot be "brimstone-scorched"

guitar distortion cannot be "velvet thick"

a "choral blast" cannot be "grave-scented" (new board description here?)

a backbone cannot be "thickly distorted" (can anything be "thickly distorted?")

a "trapping," almost by definition, cannot be "instantly recognizable"

flutes cannot be "sun scorched" (maybe they can, but how much would that affect the sound of the flute and how many readers would know this?)

Sorry, this sort of writing drives me up the fucking wall.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 10 March 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link

"Thickly distorted" seems like a needless way to reword "heavily distorted", and "sun scorched" is more of a description of the feeling the flutes provide to the piece, not the sound of flutes that were left on the dash on a sunny day. Overall I agree, it's too much.

Evan, Thursday, 10 March 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link

The saddest part is that you guys are clearly not on metal promo lists, because I get press releases written almost this badly pretty much every day.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link

actually i'm pretty happy about not being on metal promo lists, all things considered

diana krallice (rushomancy), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

Rotting Christ review is the new winner of the thread, if only because this writer uses (and invents) figures of speech without bothering to picture what the hell he is actually saying:

"majesty" cannot be "brimstone-scorched"

guitar distortion cannot be "velvet thick"

flutes cannot be "sun scorched" (maybe they can, but how much would that affect the sound of the flute and how many readers would know this?)

Sorry, this sort of writing drives me up the fucking wall.

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all of these are perfectly fine metaphors, your problem is interpreting them literally

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:20 (eight years ago) link

i would feel cheated if i read a review of a band called Rotting Christ and it didn't refer to brimstone

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

jimmywine dyspeptic describes things as they are

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:34 (eight years ago) link

(i've gotten a lot of comments over the years that are like "how can x.... be y??!?!?!??!!" and tbh they don't get old)

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link

Most of the imagery I thought sucked in that piece wasn't what Jimmy listed but the main problem is just too fucking much of it

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link

You could put flutes on a rocket and shoot it into the sun, just brainstorming

robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link

I actually listened to the Rotting Christ album because of this thread and it's pretty good!

robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link

i know what jimmywine is saying, but i kinda like "scorched." one of those words you only read in music reviews! or maybe in like grilling cookbooks.

tylerw, Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link

brb, putting flutes on a rocket

ulysses, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link

eh it's been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POMhSZLXR4I

tylerw, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link

holy crap playing flute in a spaceship that is amazing!

<3<3<3<3<3 Cady Coleman you rule! just chilling in space with Jethro Tull's flute

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

Academic goes all "jumpers for goalposts" about music reviews, referencing that time, 37 years ago, that a music critic audaciously reviewed an old record. Hard to believe that someone who teaches music crit at a University never read MOJO.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-music-critic-in-the-age-of-the-insta-release

everything, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link

I dunno; I think she's had some good pieces lately.

dc, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link

yeah, i think she's good. people in general get all atwitter about how fast our hurly burly world is. they've been doing that since forever. it's a natural impulse, i think. to say hey slow down there, pardner. people can still obviously wait and write about things decades later. the internet waits for no man, though.

scott seward, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link

I don't like Petrusich's writing much, but I don't like anybody's writing about music much lately. I hate that thing that went up on the New York Times website today, for example. I think it's probably me.

That said, I have never understood critics' need to be "part of the conversation" as demonstrated by jumping in headfirst to review something as fast as possible so you can tweet about it with all the other music critics you follow, and who follow you. Especially since none of you are going to dare write something negative. Look at the latest Kanye album - the mad rush was all to see who could be first to declare it a work of genius. It wasn't until what, two weeks later that Lex's negative review went up. You should never review art from the perspective of a kid tearing open a present on Christmas morning. You should let an album sit until you're bored with it, then write about the parts that still stick with you.

(Though I once wrote a review of a Derek Bailey album in which I said that since it was improvised music that had only been played once, I was reviewing it after only listening to it once.)

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link

That said, I have never understood critics' need to be "part of the conversation" as demonstrated by jumping in headfirst to review something as fast as possible so you can tweet about it with all the other music critics you follow, and who follow you

i mean simply it is 1) wow i need to get paid 2) how do i get paid 3) oh someone wants me to turn around a review about a surprise release in less than 10 hours 4) guess i'll do that

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link

^^ bingo
i don't really want to be "part of the conversation" either, but it happens, and i can see why people *do* want to be part of the converstaion

tylerw, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I just don't get that impulse at all. (I guess that's demonstrated by the shit I do write about, and who I write about it for.)

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link

can we go back to cady coleman and paddy maloney's tin whistle in space? what a rad astronaut.

ulysses, Thursday, 10 March 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link

You don't get the impulse to pay your rent?

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

I pay my rent by other means. As all sensible writers should.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

You Ott to know not to open that can of worms.

Evan, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link

that new ben ratliff book is all about the anxiety of everything. and the fastness and the toomuchness and the flavin and the heyladyyyyyyy....

scott seward, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link


I actually listened to the Rotting Christ album because of this thread and it's pretty good!

check out Thy Mighty Contract. totally great band.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link

I just dl'd it for listening on my commute home. Will report back about the flutes.

how's life, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link

I hate that thing that went up on the New York Times website today, for example.

Yeah. The huge circle jerk things like that trigger among music writers on social media is really ugly to me. I enjoyed reading music writing a lot more when I didn't know who the writers behind it were. Maybe you could say that about any form of writing now, I dunno.

Position Position, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link

And by "know" them, I mean knowing their social media personalities.

Position Position, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link


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