2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

it's gonna be so much fun to see who tries to ride the palin train all the way down

i mean, if dudes like that aren't on board, wtf

is there precedent for a candidate changing his VP pick before the election? seems to me like it would be political suicide--how are they gonna play that off?

i guess they'd have to have palin make the announcement for the sake of her family or whatever--but still... (& then who's their next choice? mitt romney?)

is there precedent for a candidate changing his VP pick before the election?

The Eagleton example has been discussed into the ground! I think it's the wrong parallel to continually draw but it's happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton

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fwiw wingnuts are 1000% convinced that Biden will be dropping out due to "health reasons," to be replaced by Hilary

thanks. why do you think it's the wrong parallel? i guess since the assumption was that mcgovern had no chance anyway, it's a different situation...

McCain to 'Suspend' Campaign Palin Amid Crisis

i saw that there's a 'biden out' bet on intrade but i figured it was a courtesy to palin fans ! that's fucked, he isn't going anywhere.

I doubt she's going anywhere -- if she does, it will just lead to more comment on McCain's lack of judgement and his inability to do any research or vetting before making important decisions. The only thing his team can do at this point is try to prepare Palin a little better for the debates than they did for her interviews -- if she comes off as even a little less ignorant or unprepared it will probably be seen as a win for them.

no one's going anywhere

ugh can snl stop it with the tina fey thing, it's not funny and getting increasingly less funny now that their 'satires' sound more lucid and sane than the real person they're 'satirizing'

wait i'm sorry, i forgot that all you thought the first one was hilarious because lol she can mimic an accent! so maybe this is the wrong forum to bitch about how unfunny that is.

there is no way this airheaded gov can debate against Sen. Biden and come off looking less ignorant

the first one WAS funny for SNL

Now we're a little closer to the VP debate, how does Biden handle it?

i lolled 100% big time during the "w" trailer shown a few minutes after that skit though. richard dreyfuss what!! holla.

the mccain campaign has gone past the point they can really kick palin off the ticket, yeah? i mean it would make them look completely nuts and erratic, more so than they already do.

xpost "funny for snl" is shit like that batshit insane wedding dress skit that was buried at the end of last night's episode. i really, genuinely do not think that tina fey mimicking an accent is in any way, shape or form funny. because, like i said, she seems more lucid and sane in BOTH skits than the lady she is supposedly skewering!

weekend update remains the only funny thing on this show

Give her the rope and let her hang herself. xxpost

by all rights biden should eat her alive but he's got to worry about coming across "sexist" which in this new world means "at all questioning towards a person with a vagina"

xpost weekend update is still generally pretty funny, the like three times i've caught this show. i watched the whole thing last night and like after weekend update there is nothing but skits that make no sense which is kind of awesome.

the one with the pussy makes teh rulez amirite lol

by all rights biden should eat her alive but he's got to worry about coming across "sexist" which in this new world means "at all questioning towards a person with a vagina"

it only means that coming from people who don't think sexism is actually a problem tho

One of the major breakthroughs of the first McCain–Obama debate on Friday night passed with almost no notice. Both John McCain and Barack Obama, in characterizing their opposition to the Bush Administration’s interrogation program, called it torture.

haven't they both already done that?

i think it speaks to how fractured / weak feminism or the feminist movement has become that the GOP can claim any criticism of sarah palin is misogynist.

i was canvassing for obama outside of scranton, PA last weekend and several women brought up GOP talking points re: palin. registered democrats, too. & they really seemed to have a sense that any woman in public office = victory for women.

this has probably been said already, but it's so ironic that the fracturing of these potentially radical, or at least comfortably liberal, movements (like feminism, womanism, etc) now has created material for the potential rise of people holding ridiculously sexist agendas... & it doesn't seem to me like the left is currently able to reclaim any of their rhetoric.

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lol yeah that shit is totally feminism's fault

now that's what I call reading comprehension

well i agree that it's ironic, only i'd use a stronger word like "sickening." if by "feminism has become fractured and weak," pterodactyl means that opportunists have been able to take advantage of the divorce between feminism as a set of beliefs/political goals and a contentless cooptation of the specific goal of greater presence of women in political life, i agree. i guess i'd characterize the problem differently: the left & everyone has been engaged in the contentless cooptation of feminist rhetoric for a while and now it's devalued.

Actually Palin's MO is total post-feminism, but there you go. Aspire to influence, money and power using all the same venal tricks that men do, call sexism when judged/subpoenaed on it in the same way a man would be.

Also this:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/tl5xazv3nucritnggvi34q.gif

Gad, I can't begin to recall the number of times well-meaning feminists of my generation have repeated the canard that "if only women were heads of state, there would be no more wars". Every time I hear this I flinch.

It's also a line uttered by the decidedly non-feminist Ruth Wilcox in Howards End.

it's so superficial. i work in a public HS and walk around all day hearing girls called (by each other, but more often by boys) bitch, slut, whore, and everything else. & then you ask them what they want to do in the future and 50% of them say "get married." & then you bring up sarah palin and they say, "we could have a woman vice president!" as if finally gender equality will have been achieved.

and i went out for a beer with some teachers last friday, sat around with a group of 4 women, and they talked about how they need to scoop out the insides of their bagels b/c those are empty calories and how else are they going to get laid?

& then you bring up sarah palin and they say, "we could have a woman vice president!" as if finally gender equality will have been achieved.

no offense, but taking the pulse of the country by relying on what 16 year olds say is pretty dumb

Um...I think I know what you're getting at, but I hope I'm misunderstanding you.

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there's a reason 16 year olds can't vote

i think that a whole lot of the country believes in that narrative, not just 16 year old girls!

i just brought it up in that it's strange to be surrounded by a group of people who so clearly (from my POV) could benefit from a feminist movement but who have latched onto this instead--at least for the moment.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What does watching your weight by scooping out the insides of bagels have to do with feminism?

it's a metaphor

Sometimes a bagel is just a bagel.

I mean, I don't eat potato chips or drink Coke because (a) they don't taste good (b) they make me gain weight, and I like to get laid too.

some potato chips taste good Alfred! maybe you just haven't found the right potato chip for you

or the right man! Maybe the problem is related.

I do like fried plantain chips. I need to find a guy as savory as a fried plantain chip.

no bagels in Florida? ;-)

i'm not a big fan of potato chips either, alfred!

no bagels in Florida? ;-)

I prefer English muffins.

Andrew Halcro:

After reading my opinion column in the Anchorage Daily News this morning, fellow Alaskan blogger Tom Lamb, asks "Why is it that Andrew Halcro who is so critical of Palin, wanted to be on the same ticket with her."

That's an easy answer; because I believed Sarah Palin had the qualifications to be a terrific Lt. Governor. And watching her struggle to give coherent answers on the national stage, I believe more today than ever before she has the qualifications to be a terrific Lt. Governor.

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