Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

I'm all about the "shot em all let God pick the rest" attitude towards boxsets

or however that saying goes

really is annoying now that there are two discs of matrix stuff on that set when they could've filled those discs w/ some of the boston tea party recordings from 68 and 69. sound quality of those is not fab, but they're better than the second fret show on the loaded box set anyway.

― tylerw

yep even tho I knew it would be reissued it is still super annoying that they didn't use something like the guitar amp tape instead

really is annoying now that there are two discs of matrix stuff on that set when they could've filled those discs w/ some of the boston tea party recordings from 68 and 69. sound quality of those is not fab, but they're better than the second fret show on the loaded box set anyway.

― tylerw, Saturday, January 2, 2016 9:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed. I decided to pass on the Loaded box after hearing a clip of the Second Fret show (which sounds like it was recorded from a passing car as it drove by the club possibly, but not likely, while the Velvets were onstage), and I never could grok Max's Kansas City due to Billy Yule's overplaying.

The first two boxes got it right re: unreleased live stuff (even if the WL/WH set was overpriced for how little it contained).

gotta say that the Sundazed sequencing for the 1969 sessions seems all off to me ... obviously just a matter of trainspotter taste.

― tylerw, Saturday, January 2, 2016 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also i prefer some of the 80s mixes! so there!

― tylerw, Saturday, January 2, 2016 9:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes and yes. VU to me is flawless and canon; 1969's running order doesn't cut it.

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Yes, "1969" is wrong, but the art/sleeve/package is alright, if you manage to get one not in the box set like I did.

yeah i think having all that 1969 material in one place is the right idea, but the execution of it so far has been a little lacking. the art is cool! i like those groovy shirts the VU are wearing.

The next boxset will come with replicas of those shirts.

GROOVY.
I've actually always wanted to know where that photo shoot took place... is the LA Zoo or something?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uMCca4v7Myc/UyMN4QnQ8CI/AAAAAAAAI-0/qT64Vl0M-rA/s1600/front+1.png

not sure if this is the thread for a q like this or not but here goes anyway
looks like my erstwhile VU jam is going to be revived, and i need some new-to-me live VU jams to listen to. what is my best bet for highest concentration of long groovy tracks (i have live 1969 LP but i need something i can burn to CD to listen to in the car)?

you have these bootlegs? long jamz galore:
http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/72879443131/the-velvet-underground-the-boston-tea-party
http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/82918200243/sweet-sister-rayns-heroin-more-invisible-hits

i don't - how's the sound?

crappy!
well it varies ... but if you haven't heard it, i think "sweet sister ray" would be right up your alley.

hm. ok -- any recommendations of recordings that are less muddy?

well, the Matrix set :D

maybe the Gymnasium set as well? Or the Hilltop gig?

yeah, the matrix set is your best bet in terms of non-muddy recordings (fair amount of crossover w/ live 1969 of course). the end of cole avenue bootleg too, though there actually aren't too many long jams on that one.

ok thanks dudes!

all annoyance with how they rolled out the matrix tapes aside, good lord, those four discs are so good.

are the Matrix Tapes sold out everywhere? (new copies at the retail price)

i just looked and you can get mp3s on amazon for $24 which seems ok enough esp if the sound is superior to other live recordings

yeah I saw that - seems like a decent price! I was looking for the CD boxset for a gift - can't find them.

yeah I think it is all sold out at the moment

there are used copies on amazon but they're $172!?

it'll be repressed soon, I would assume.

yeah doesn't seem like the kinda thing that would be "limited"... but i guess the fact that it is selling well bodes well for more VU trainspotter gouging.

well, the Matrix set :D

And how!

I see it new for $30 on Amazon....

well I just tried ordering one, will report back

WTF

Condition: Used - Like New - Sealed item. Like NEW. 30 Day Satisfaction Guarantee.

so maybe I bought a used copy? confusing.

Condition: New - BRAND NEW, Factory Sealed items direct from the Studios. 30 Day Satisfaction Guarantee.

I've actually always wanted to know where that photo shoot took place... is the LA Zoo or something?

Bob Egan of popspotsnyc.com claims that it was in the Ferndell Nature Trail section of Griffith Park, near the junction of N. Western Ave. and Los Feliz Blvd., though he admits he's a bit "speculative" about it. If true, that would be in the vicinity of where The Byrds' Mr. Tambourine Man LP cover photo was taken. The photographer was Sanford Schor.

ha, so the LA Zoo wasn't toooo far off. is the waterfall still there? i spent a lot of time in griffith park as a kid, but don't think i ever saw anything like that...

Don't know, I live in New York

damn it someone needs to stop what they're doing right now and go looking for the waterfall on the cover of an old velvet underground bootleg for me!

holy what https://soundcloud.com/wakaflockaflame/askcharlamagne

What is it?

Waka sampling heroin

Ooh, dangerous.

it's a "venus in furs" sample -- kinda good!

ah right sorry

duh

Waka sampling heroin

:‑o

hmm
“From my collection, Super Rare Tape..VELVET UNDERGROUND 7 X 1/4 PRODUCTION STEREO TEST TAPE 4T - 7.5 ips.1967 VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO...SMS/MGM-VERVE RECORDS...INCLUDES REED & CALE'S DELETED 2ND VERSION OF "HEROIN;" MUCH DIFFERENT MIX WITH CALE VOCALS, PIANO, FUZZ GUITAR & NO VIOLA..play tested, leader'd, excellent hi-fidelity, non smoke home,..always stored in cello sealed bag...”
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191776489151#cvip_desc
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LkUAAOSwJkJWjWsw/s-l1600.jpg
never even heard of this alternate "heroin"

omg

shit like this is gonna keep turning up for the next 50 years, isn't it?

50TH ANNIVERSARY EXTRA DELUXE EDITION COMING SOON

wow $750 seems a bit cheap for something like that

yeah, considering how much that acetate went for...

huh, so there is a VU exposition coming to Paris in March through August (link in English), at the Cité de la musique

looks cool! there's some kind of museum exhibition (it's in the space where the big Miles Davis exposition was a few years back, which was rad). and also several concerts in the space, including Television playing Marquee Moon, and John Cale playing the first VU album, with Etienne Daho, the Libertines, Animal Collective, Lou Doillon, Nick Franklin from Lemon Jelly, and Mark Lanegan.

also there are conference talks and debates on the band, musical workshops around the work of the band for both kids & adults, experimental film "experiences"

I am so there.

I had a great time relaxing in the "mini EPI" room at the Andy Warhol / Ai Wei Wei exhibition in the National Gallery of Victoria the other month. Was enjoying the art and then stepped thru a door into a room full of beanbags and all four walls projecting Factory footage, Chelsea Girls, VU rehearsals, screen tests, coloured dots, Malanga with his whip, et al. And a great mix of VU obscurities played loud. My wife had to come back and get me after half an hour.