Presumably, this time round a decent Stereo mix will happen.
There's a limit as to how much you can actually do with two tracks. But I guess instruments in the middle and vocals in left or right would be better than the radical two track sound. This only goes for the first two albums anyway, as they used four tracks from "A Hard Day's Night" onwards, and that record sounds great in stereo the way it is.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 22:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
basically the recordings were mixed to be mono, and stereo versions were made artificially after the fact and sort of clumsily. i've heard that the mono mix of sgt pepper is the one that was really slaved over and the stereo mix which we are more familiar with were thrown together
Other sources claim that "Sgt. Pepper" was actually the first album where they guys put as much into the stereo mix as the mono mix. For instance, the panning lead vocals on "A Day In The Life" were definitely not something George Martin or Geoff Emerick came up with alone on a quiet and boring day in the studio.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 22:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
gah quicktime files?? is this 1993 year of CD-ROMs or something?
― listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 05:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
and as for vinyl, the new vinyl copies out there sound pretty good if you ask me but i've been listening to the dreaded CDs all my life so it all could be relative..
― listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 05:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
For instance, the panning lead vocals on "A Day In The Life" were definitely not something George Martin or Geoff Emerick came up with alone on a quiet and boring day in the studio.
Sure they could have. It was their job!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 06:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm not shelling out for CDs. Vinyl, maybe. Way to totally blow it you fucking idiots.
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
seriously, they're going to lose so much money on this
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
From a buddy to me:
"A promising post from [name redacted], a very old-skool beatleg critic who knows his audiophile stuff and is pretty curmudgeonly about everything - he's been sent some samples of Pepper stereo tracks so he can share his opinion of them:
>>I'm listening to the samples again. Right now. As I'm typing this.
Look: this is the best (stereo) copy of the Pepper album I've ever heard (a portion of). It's the UHQR on steroids. Another shining example: Paul's "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" at the beginning of Lovely Rita is just... ethereal. It breathes. It's ALIVE. It's not like you're standing in the studio with him, but only because if you were his voice would be coming from straight in front of you and not transitioning across your ears like he were floating by on a cloud.
There are voices and sounds that were buried in the mix and inaudible during A Day In The Life that I can now hear clear as day.
This is like having hundreds of years of grunge cleaned off the ceiling of the Sistene Chapel.
Fuck it, guys, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. <<
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
Wow. I guess I should just put aside a mason jar with a slot in the top...someone more mathematically inclined do that math on how much per day is needed to stash in order to get the whole catalogue on 9/9....
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'm wondering how much those boxes will be going for. You know, get the catalogue in one fell swoop as opposed to drawing it out over 9 years like last time.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
they'll probably be bargain-priced ... :P
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
Bargain priced at $21.99....times fourteen...divided by food and clothing
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
whoa, each CD is $21.99? They're just one disc right?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
That was guesswork...remember they'll be fleshed out w/ "mini-documentaries"
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
I think that was a figure pulled out of thin air. Personally, I'm hoping for the big box stores to slap a huge loss-leader price on these for first week of release.
― display names have been changed to protect the innocent (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
If the Beatles lost money on this, that would be a first.
― Mark, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
so wait, am i saving up for the mono version or the stereo version?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
hopefully, some kind of deal with Target and Walmart can be worked out here.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
i'm kidding, but almost wouldn't be surprised ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
I was thinking more of the way B3st Buy drops new releases to ridiculous prices (comparatively anyway) for the first week of sale.
― display names have been changed to protect the innocent (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
If they can find some way to keep the boxes under $100, they'll sell like crazy, recession or no
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
Free Dr. Pepper, BEST BUY only.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
Plus a free copy of Chinese Democracy (gotta move 'em somehow)!
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
under $100 i'd seriously consider shelling out for. but yeah, mono or stereo? HMMM
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
probably should be a poll when we have more details
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
After some digging, I've found that the old box listed for $ 329.98 US ($20.62 per disc). For the extra jing, you got a nice storage case and IIRC, Sgt. Pepper came in a slipcase.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
It looks like it came with a book too.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
huh! never even heard of that. it came out when all the original CD editions came out? kind of a ripoff, though, right?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
Pretty sure that's for sale in a record shop in Cardiff. I've seen it on the shelf behind the counter.
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm buying mono copies through Magical Mystery Tour & stereo from White Album on
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
My school library had that box
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
i think the monos are only gonna be in a box set, Milton
yeah, that would make sense, but the beatle expert dude upthread raving about the Sgt. Pepper in stereo is giving me doubts. Help! xxpost
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
ooh srsly? dang.
about the monos only being in boxset form.
I don't want the whole catalogue, just Rubber Soul onwards, I think. And probably not Let It Be, either, at least not at the outset.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
Let It Be is the only one I could do without
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
interested in the new stereo remasters for peppers & MMT, but I guess I'm buying the mono box then.
were there even mono mixes of Abbey Road & Let It Be?
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
Saying that though, I'm listening to it (Let It Be) right now and I'd forgotten how good a lot of it is. It's probably my least listened-to Beatles album.
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, after going through a nitpicky stage about the Beatles, i decided that all Beatles albums are pretty great. Even the less-great ones.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
haha, just thought I'd bring everyone the breaking news that the Beatles are great.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND, PEOPLE
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
Seriously though, I've never owned all the original CD versions, only from Help! onwards; with the remasters I can see myself getting them all eventually, but right now I just want to gorge on Revolver, The White Album, Magical Mystery Tour, Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road - getting to grips with those is going to be enough to last me months and months. I've never been fussed about box sets.
What I'm hoping for most with these is that they set a standard in remastering, and make a lot of artists think "fuck, I released / remastered some records that sound like dog shit; now's my chance to fix them before the apocalypse". So they'd better sound good!
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, seems like they're on the right path, if LOVE is any indication. As much as I loathed the mash up aspect of that release, it did sound pretty amazing.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
Let It Be: now I can get car sick in mono
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
the rest of that press release:
The Stereo Albums (available individually and collected in a stereo boxed set)The stereo albums have been remastered by Guy Massey, Steve Rooke, Sam Okell with Paul Hicks and Sean MageeAll CD packages contain original vinyl artwork and liner notesExtensive archival photosAdditional historical notes by Kevin Howlett and Mike HeatleyAdditional recording notes by Allan Rouse and Kevin Howlett* = CD includes QuickTime mini-doc about the albumPlease Please Me* (CD debut in stereo)With The Beatles* (CD debut in stereo)A Hard Day's Night* (CD debut in stereo)Beatles For Sale* (CD debut in stereo)Help!*Rubber Soul*Revolver*Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band* (also includes 1987 notes, updated, and new intro by Paul McCartney)Magical Mystery Tour*The Beatles*Yellow Submarine* (also includes original US liner notes)Abbey Road*Let It Be*Past Masters (contains new liner notes written by Kevin Howlett)'The Beatles in Mono' (boxed set only)The mono albums have been remastered by Paul Hicks, Sean Magee with Guy Massey and Steve RookePresented together in box with an essay written by Kevin Howlett + = mono mix CD debut Please Please MeWith The BeatlesA Hard Day's NightBeatles For SaleHelp! (CD also includes original 1965 stereo mix)+Rubber Soul (CD also include original 1965 stereo mix)+Revolver+Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band+Magical Mystery Tour+The Beatles+Mono MastersRe-mastering the Beatles catalogue
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then addressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.
New Notes/Documentaries Team
Kevin Howlett (Historical and Recording Notes)Kevin Howlett's career as an award-winning radio producer spans three decades. His music programmes for the BBC have included many documentaries about The Beatles, including 'The Beeb's Lost Beatles Tapes.' He received a Grammy nomination for his involvement with The Beatles' album 'Live At The BBC' and, in 2003, produced the 'Fly On The Wall' bonus disc for 'Let It Be... Naked.'
Mike Heatley (Historical Notes) Mike entered the music business via HMV Record Stores in 1970, transferring to EMI Records' International Division three years later. He eventually headed up that division in the early Eighties before joining the company's newly created Strategic Marketing Division in 1984. In 1988, he returned to International, where he undertook a number of catalogue marketing roles until he retired in December 2008.During his career he worked with many of EMI's major artists, including Pink Floyd, Queen, Kate Bush and Iron Maiden. However, during the last 30 years he has formed a particularly strong relationship with Apple, and has been closely involved in the origination and promotion of the Beatles catalogue, besides solo releases from John, Paul, George and Ringo.
Bob Smeaton (Director, Mini-Documentaries)Bob Smeaton was series director and writer on the Grammy award winning 'Beatles Anthology' TV series which aired in the UK and the USA in 1995. In 1998 he received his second Grammy for his 'Jimi Hendrix: Band of Gypsys' documentary. In 2004 he gained his first feature film credit, as director on the feature documentary 'Festival Express.' He subsequently went on to direct documentaries on many of the world's biggest music acts including The Who, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Elton John, Nirvana and the Spice Girls.
Julian Caiden (Editor, Mini-Documentaries)Julian has worked with Bob Smeaton on numerous music documentaries including 'Jimi Hendrix: Band of Gypsys' and the 'Classic Albums' series, featuring The Who, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Elton John and Nirvana among others. He has worked on documentary profiles from Richard Pryor to Dr. John to Sir Ian McKellen, Herbie Hancock and Damien Hirst and on live music shows including the New York Dolls and Club Tropicana.
The Abbey Road TeamAllan Rouse (Project Coordinator)Allan joined EMI straight from school in 1971 at their Manchester Square head office, working as an assistant engineer in the demo studio. During this time he frequently worked with Norman (Hurricane) Smith, The Beatles' first recording engineer.
In 1991, he had his first involvement with The Beatles, copy¬ing all of their master tapes (mono, stereo, 4-track and 8-track) to digital tape as a safety backup. This was followed by four years working with Sir George Martin as assistant and project coordinator on the TV documentary 'The Making of Sgt. Pepper's' and the CDs 'Live at the BBC' and 'The Anthol¬ogy.'
In 1997, MGM/UA were preparing to reissue the film 'Yellow Submarine' and, with the permission of Apple, asked that all of The Beatles' music be mixed for the film in 5.1 surround and stereo. Allan requested the services of Abbey Road's senior engineer Peter Cobbin and assistant Guy Massey and, along with them, produced the new mixes.Two years later, he proposed an experimental stereo and surround mix of John Lennon's song 'Imagine' engineered by Peter Cobbin. Following lengthy consultations with Yoko Ono, the album 'Imagine' was re-mixed in stereo and the Grammy award-winning film 'Gimme Some Truth' in surround and new stereo. This led to a further five of John's albums being re-mastered with new stereo mixes and the DVD release of 'Lennon Legend' being re-mixed in 5.1 surround and new stereo.
Further projects followed, including The Beatles 'Anthol¬ogy', 'The First US Visit' and 'Help' DVD and the albums 'Let It Be...Naked' and 'Love' along with George Harrison's 'Concert for Bangladesh' DVD and album.For a number of years now, Allan has worked exclusively on Beatles and related projects.
Guy Massey (Recording Engineer)Guy joined Abbey Road in 1994, and five years later assisted on the surround remix for The Beatles film 'Yellow Submarine.' This led to The Beatles' 'Anthology' DVD and later, along with Paul Hicks and Allan Rouse, they mixed and produced 'Let It Be... Naked.' In 2004 he left the studios to become freelance and has engineered The Divine Comedy: 'Victory for the Comic Muse,' Air Traffic: 'Fractured Life,' James Dean Bradfield: 'The Great Western' and Stephen Fretwell's 'Magpie,' co-producing the last two. Since leaving, Guy is still a vital member of the team, and has been the senior engineer for the re-mastering project and was responsible for surround and new stereo mixes for the DVD release of 'Help!'
Steve Rooke (Mastering Engineer)Steve joined Abbey Road in 1983 and is now the studio's senior mastering engineer. He has been involved on all The Beatles' projects since 1999. He has also been responsible for mastering releases by John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr.
Paul Hicks (Recording Engineer)Paul started at Abbey Road in 1994, and his first involvement with The Beatles was assisting engineer Geoff Emerick on the Anthology albums. This was followed by 'Yellow Submarine Songtrack,' 'Anthology' DVD and 'Let It Be... Naked.' Like Guy Massey, he has also become a freelance engineer and since leaving the studios he has been responsible for the surround mixing of Paul McCartney's DVD 'The McCartney Years' and The Beatles' 'Love.' Paul has been in charge of the mono re-masters.
Sean Magee (Mastering Engineer)Sean began working at Abbey Road in 1995 with a diploma in sound engineering. With a wealth of knowledge in analog and digital mastering, he has worked alongside Paul Hicks on the mono re-masters.
Sam Okell (Recording Engineer)Sam's first job as a member of the team was in 2006, assisting Paul Hicks on Paul McCartney's DVD 'The McCartney Years,' and during that same year he was responsible for the re-mastering of George Harrison's 'Living In The Material World' CD along with Steve Rooke. This led to him restoring the soundtrack to the Beatles film 'Help!' in surround and stereo, in addition to assisting Guy Massey with the song remixes.
Sam has re-mastered 'With The Beatles' and 'Let It Be.'
Simon Gibson (Audio Restoration Engineer)Simon joined Abbey Road in 1990. He has progressed from mastering mostly classical recordings to include a much wider range of music, including pop and rock, with his specialized role as an audio restoration engineer. Apart from the re-mastering project, his other work includes George Harrison's 'Living In The Material World,' John Lennon's 'Lennon Legend,' The Beatles' 'Love' and the 'Help!' DVD soundtrack.
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― Bee OK, Friday, 10 April 2009 04:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
let's all randomly guess how much the complete box sets are going to cost:
stereo set: $240mono set: $150
― lil waynes babymama (musically), Friday, 10 April 2009 05:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
well the stereo set will obviously be twice as much as the mono set
― s1ocki, Friday, 10 April 2009 05:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
the mono set is gonna be ludicrously expensive because its for collector fuckos and all exclusive to the set
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 10 April 2009 05:54 (4 years ago) Permalink