Star Trek Beyond

after further reflection and a second screening of the first movie i am actually astonished at how terrible this reboot series has been, like i've read articles and posts on here even saying how abrams just wants to pay homage or not fuck up what those before him created but i mean this series is just one long continuing fuckup.

the first one's okay (lame villain really hampers it). Couldn't bring myself to see the second one. Latest looks pretty stupid.

they should go back to high concept TV imo

first one is the best by a long shot and probably has the most in common w/the tone of the previous incarnations but it still misses the mark. last one was schumacher batman wrong, this one looks worse.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/12/simon-pegg-asks-fans-to-hang-in-there/

they're doing a new show

exec produced by Kurtzman...

be careful what you wish for

to boldly go where no man has gone before....and blow shit up while we're there

who is Kurtzman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman

ugh

kinda wished they would hand it back to the BSG/ex-TNG guys instead (even if they did totally fuck up BSG)

Fringe (which Kurtzman co-created) had a couple good seasons.

More than a couple IMHO.

Kurtzman didn't have much to do with Fringe by the time it got good, I think.

I think the Kings (who do the Good Wife) could do a pretty good Trek. Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials.

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials

^^^

nothing more worthless than nerd credentials imo

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

― Chuck_Tatum

Patrick Stewart, at 75, is older than any of the main cast (shatner, nimoy,kelley etc.) of the Undiscovered Country. The rest of the cast would be younger on average than the cast of Undiscovered Counry.

only 9 years in age difference between shatner and stewart

If we're fantasy-producing Trek, why not get David Simon?

why

"Enterprise-E the same, just got more fierce."

wayyyy doooooown in the wormhooooollle

just saw the first Star Trek movie (for the first time) - in 35mm at the local theater that does that. jeez that's a really lovely movie in every way imo!

very challopsy

The photography on the 20-minute model shot of the Enterprise coming out of dry dock is technically lovely I guess? That's about it iirc

+ Persis Khambatta

no it's really a very pretty thing altogether on the big screen imo! there's all these very long shots of the ship and of space, it's like they wanna get a 2001 vibe which obviously no but still, it's almost...tranquil? and so much about characters, the plot is really basic ("threat to universe that cannot be bested by force must be met with intellect")...idk, as a guy w/no skin in the Star Trek game this struck me as a good movie with a really lovely overall groove!

all that is otm, it's the most star trek star trek movie. on a small screen or in the wrong mood tho it just plays as kitsch at art-house speed.

many moods are the wrong mood.

I think the Kings (who do the Good Wife) could do a pretty good Trek

Not the worst idea ever, but I'm still sad that Bryan Fuller never got his shot

the ST:TMP producers got 2001 fx guy Douglas Trumbull and gave him free reign in post-production.

yeah it definitely is exactly like they wanted to get a 2001 vibe. hence the singular bathos of the dock sequence, which is like if you spliced shots into 2001 of william shatner weeping. it is likeable tho, partic in our ahem era, because even tho it is 1979 it is so pointedly not going for a star wars vibe: a point of pride even the tremendous wrath of khan can't really claim.

(well maybe it can: maybe it is just big-screen "balance of terror".)

i definitely wish bones kept his beard all thru tho.

Don't forget that medallion.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbj19o3mIW1qbz1bp.png

like a crash-dieted welles

http://i.imgur.com/wCMMf4s.jpg

like a crash-dieted welles

they never really got to finish that movie bcz of a Christmas '79 deadline

(ie cut the boring stuff out)

omg ledge that pic is rreally fucking with me

i like the boring stuff!

New board description

new star trek! nice!

TMP def has its charms, most of which I can imagine are greatly amplified on the big screen (I haven't seen it in a theater since it came out, unfortunately)

TMP is really great to look at. It's definitely the weirdest of the films.

I'm half-convinced I never saw the reboots based on how completely forgettable they were. Like, I honestly remember almost nothing about the actual stories and only a smattering of small details beyond that.

i remember the attack on the starfleet HQ that was ripped off from Godfather 3 and a few others details but no scenes, exactly. from the first one, i got nothing beyond Sabotage.

Yeah, I joked somewhere the other day that all I could remember was Beastie Boys songs but it's actually not a joke. Something about Lin doubling down on the fact that a Beastie Boys song will again absolutely be featured in the new movie inpires zero confidence in me.

Like, make your dumb forgettable future space movies with anachronistic Beastie Boys lulz but maybe they don't have to be called Star Trek.

re: TMP - the effects stuff is all gorgeous, what doesn't work/is funny is all the cutting back to the crew on the bridge for their reaction shots. So many shots of the crew looking at stuff. Someone should do a re-edit where all the reaction shots are of the crew watching themselves watch the movie

xp

I like the first reboot plenty, apart from the dull as dishwater villain, which is a major failure.

xpost Would watch Star Trek version of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFE2CCfAP1o

hahahaha

Way better than the second movie but still kind of dull, I thought.

Not trying to challops but I think Quinto is *terrible* as Spock. There's too much anger in the character - it's a boring acting choice. I just kind of want the movies to be 2hrs of Kirk.

yeah i'm not really a fan of his portrayal, it completely whiffs on the dry, intellectual side of Spock.

the alternate timeline shit is needlessly complicated, too.

needlessly complicated or... opportunity for comicsplaining?
https://i.imgur.com/PU39xHA.png

crisis on infinite cumberpatch

I love #3, and I love #1 ...that Khan nonsense never happened as far as I'm concerned.

I mentioned this upthread but Mr Veg said something I think about a lot w/r/t these movies. He likes the reboots well enough, but he feels like the reboots work overtime to make the look and the tone feel like Star Trek but it bugs him the way they steer clear of any of the depth of content that Rodenberry brought to the series. Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

I blame JJ Abrams; I've always felt like he just liked the clothes and the spaceships of Star Trek but thought the content was too nerdy

(and I am generally a fan of Abrams)

Agreed on those pts

Abrams is a fan-fiction writer given unlimited studio resources.

The opposite, I'd have thought? Fan-fiction writers care A LOT.

Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

Totally - Super 8 the same: all the Spielberg signifiers, none of the depth. Even the TOS and TNG movies, gaudy as they are, are still "about something" while still working as silly sci-if action movies

no way! i loved the kids in Super 8.

ST Beyond was written by a fan fiction dork, though, which is why it's a fucking blast.

The whole setup to get to the sabotage bit is A++++ trek dialogue for all time, btw, startling from when hears "lassie" say the word bees

... from when Spock hears her say "bees"... derp phone

New series debuts tmrw, btw

yes and Star Trek: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

Finally watched this, and it's not half-bad (the Spock/McCoy scenes particularly)! The half that is bad pretty much involves the bad aliens, who have a LOT of similarities with the nu-Klingons on Discovery.

It's almost as if they... sabotaged themselves.