HEY JEWS

it's definitely weird, even from the Church's POV. that you can be saved through Christ and a part of the covenant with the Church through your rejection of Christ and the Church? that's why they call it a mystery.

ok yes if that's all you mean then fine, it is a mystery.gif. but Catholics talk about mystery every week.

since vatican 2 the Church does not take Jews to have rejected Christ. this is just spelling that out a little further. not up to "scientific precision" I guess but if that's the standard

how do they understand this in light of inerrancy of the NT and passages that seem to totally contradict the idea that the Jews did not reject Christ? it that part of the mystery?

fwiw i asked a professor friend in the field and he says: There is a huge literature of new readings of the NT that downplay the dualism of Jew vs Christian. Much of it relies of rhetorical criticism saying that the verse was based on a fight with a specific group of Jews and does not include Jews as a whole. Some of it is based on reconceptualization as to what a verse like that could mean to a Jewish speaker which the apostles were. There are many other strategies used to explain the texts. Texts like Revelation are the easy ones via rhetroical criticism, the lines in the Pauline texts are harder. But all of this is part and parcel of a broader modern reading of the Bible. The same was Hirsch or Hertz dealt with a score of issues including science with the net result is a modern reading of the Jewish Bible, the Catholic Church is dealing with a broad number of issues in their 21st century reading.

that seems otm. I would say that those readings go back to vatican 2 so aren't specifically 21st century but the point still stands.

think "inerrancy" is too strong an attribution to a historical text. Catholics aren't Muslims (or Protestants): the texts were written by human authors and they must be interpreted.

also re. "rejection": it is one thing to say something, and another to do something. the acts of the Jews are to be seen as in line with the NT, if not their words. putting a lot of emphasis on "belief", attitudes toward propositions, etc., is again a rather Protestant take on Christianity.

what is the status of the catholic canon? is it divinely inspired? do the pauline texts have more force than the later ones in terms of necessary fidelity?

what do you mean by "the catholic canon"? Augustine? Aquinas? Newman? papal declarations? there's not really anything equivalent to the Midrash or to hadiths.

i really meant the canonical NT

as seen by the catholic church

hmm then still confused, what do you mean by the texts later than Paul's?

I mean yeah the idea is that the texts are divinely inspired but that doesn't mean they're so clear that anyone who reads them will understand them right away. the latter view is what fundamentalists (by definition in fact) believe, and Catholics aren't fundamentalist.

more on the topic:
https://kavvanah.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/the-gifts-and-calling-of-god-are-irrevocable-another-jewish-perspective/

my daughter's mixed media har sinai for parshat yisro

http://i.imgur.com/hoFNmqU.jpg?1

Sheep ❤️

Oh wait those are clouds nm

Mordy maybe you have thoughts on this: my daughter's gan is in a conservative synagogue, but her teacher is orthodox. I feel like sometimes the teacher is crossing the line into orthodox territory, for example telling them that boys wear tzitzit (or at least that's what K came home and told me -- maybe it was just because there's a boy in her class who wears them).

Also she talks to them a lot about "davening to Hashem" and I just feel like a threes class is a little early for that.

(1) Do you think it's appropriate? (2) Do you think it's pointless to say something to the director about it?

My girls go to a Chabad school so they're being exposed to all that and more and I've definitely had conversations with my 4yo about things we believe and how they might differ from what her morah said. I suspect my tolerance (and total acceptability) threshold for Orthodox hashkafa is much higher than yours in general, but we are not fully observant so she knows that we do some things differently than what they do at school. I feel like that some level of critical interaction about what they're getting at school is probably going to be necessary whether they continue in Jewish schools or go to the public schools (about which we are undecided). I should probably mention also that not all the Chabad teachers are Orthodox (my 2yo's is non-observant) so it's not even like they are only be exposed to one context for Jewishness at school either. Maybe they've taken pains to have it that way because they are trying to attract a broader student body, ie they don't see their target audience as homogenous even though they are definitely privileging certain Orthonorms.

So I guess my answer is: I think it's probably fine but if it bothers you I imagine the conservative director will be sympathetic to your concern.

http://forward.com/news/333986/uganda-rabbi-wins-opposition-seat-in-parliament-as-authoritarian-leader-cli/

On February 19, Rabbi Gershom Sizomu, the spiritual leader of the century-old Abayudaya Jewish community, was named the winner in a heated race among eight candidates, including two main rivals from Uganda’s ruling National Resistance Movement party. Sizomu, who ran with the main opposition party, will represent Bungokho North, a rural district outside the town of Mbale, about an hour’s drive from the Kenyan border.

Wow, interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/world/middleeast/woman-81-to-sue-israeli-airline-over-seat-switch.html?action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

Ms. Rabinowitz has since had time to ponder. She said her son told her that “this whole idea that you cannot sit next to a woman is bogus.” She cited an eminent Orthodox scholar, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who counseled that it was acceptable for a Jewish man to sit next to a woman on a subway or a bus so long as there was no intention to seek sexual pleasure from any incidental contact.

“When did modesty become the sum and end all of being a Jewish woman?” Ms. Rabinowitz asked. Citing examples like the biblical warrior Deborah, the matriarch Sarah and Queen Esther, she noted: “Our heroes in history were not modest little women.”

very otm. charedi obsession w/ modesty/gender separation is so unappealing. and all just ad hoc bullshit w/ little to no traditional-textual validity

i strongly remember a time when a haredi guy was selling his paintings on the street in NYC and my mom and i approached him with interest. when she spoke to him, he looked right past her and didn't respond in the slightest. when i said something he smiled and started talking to me. i don't know how common that sort of thing is -- how many haredi forbid even the slightest social contact between a man and a woman who is not a relation?

btw ms. rabinowitz sounds like a really awesome person.

i don't know exact numbers but there's a spectrum. the charedi communities i participated in skewed much more to the permissive side (though unmarried singles were still actively discouraged from fraternizing outside of shidduch dating). but there are more fundamentalist communities in the united states - satmar seems like the most obvious one. from what i understand there's a spectrum in israel too but that extends much more to the right than the one in the US (like the haredi burqa sect is exclusively found in israel).

eg the litvish (ie non-chassidic) yeshiva i went to for high school was moshe feinstein's (mentioned in the article u posted) yeshiva. so even though boys and girls were educationally and socially segregated, and pretty much men only fraternize with men and women with women and the gender roles are very formal, he still was lenient on issues of like professional and formal association between genders. iirc though touching someone of the opposite gender at all (that's not a marriage or a family member) is disallowed but he ruled that you could shake a woman's hand in a business setting (especially if she would be offended if you begged off), or that sitting next to a woman on public transportation is not an issue. i mean obviously this is still hardcore gender segregation.

i watched this and found it very moving

http://www.timesofisrael.com/dustin-hoffman-finally-meets-his-jewish-roots/

hey jews anyone seen a play called bad jews?

Yes, and I hated it. Over-rated, clichéd, ugh

I can kind of tell from the title what it will be like and why I won't like it.

Irreverent Jew humor gets tiresome after a while because the stakes of irreverence are so low in all but the most Orthodox Jewish circles.

Harmon’s portrait of Daphna, the lone Jewish woman on stage, and by extension all Jewish women, relies on retrogade anti–Jewish woman tropes — nagging voice, excessive hairiness. That “Bad Jews” was written by a young Jewish playwright makes this feel like even more of a betrayal. Jewish leaders ruing the Pew study might want more Jews to be like Daphna, who decries intermarriage, values her Jewishness and doesn’t want it to be watered down in future generations. But Harmon has made her so unlikable — rigid, self-righteous, whiny. Even her womanliness is questioned: She is depicted as so undesirable that Jonah agrees that her Israel boyfriend must be a figment of her imagination.

sounds gross

Yeah actually sounds worse than I imagined, although that's definitely a common cliché to the kind of bad Jewish comedy I'm thinking of.

I've always liked Jewish women though, to the extent you can generalizingly "like" any entire group of women, and a lot of the negative stereotypes read as positive traits to me - strength, concern, lack of pretense, etc.

Sadly this got good reviews in Washington DC papers last year, so the run got extended, and then they brought it back again this year.

The airhead Christian blonde girlfriend of another character in the play is formulaic as well

it sounds like the playwright ends up shipping Daphna out to Israel in the end. if that's his hope for getting rid of all the annoying hung-up on being jewish jews, i think he's setting himself up for disappointment

I've always liked Jewish women though, to the extent you can generalizingly "like" any entire group of wome

i'd say that this extent is... no extent.

i have a lot of awful overentitled jewish girls in my classes, and lots of smart, sharp jewish girls too. there are definitely "types" within the overall group, but to characterize it beyond that, i dunno. weird.

saw it earlier this week I thought it was a very very bad play like an average episode of a bad sitcom actually left about a little after halfway through which I don't think I've ever done before

disappointed there have not been any '"Bad Jews", Bad!' headlines about this tbh

I kinda enjoyed Bad Jews but more as a light Saturday matinee entertainment and not some tour de force of theater

Somehow it only dawned on me for the first time this year that Achashverosh was a real fucking imbecile of a king.

Just a complete putz basically.

Drunken, fickle, easy to manipulate, no discernible policies or values other than partying, and misogynist too

Hamentashen are tasty

in addition to executing his wife for refusing to appear naked in front of his friends there's a midrash that the entire party the opens the megillah was really just an excuse to use the temple vessels that had been looted from jerusalem

Wow.

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Some grocery stores around here have been displaying Passover food now, because they just assume that since Easter is Sunday, Passover must be right now too. Wonder if they will realize they have to leave it up through the end of April? Or will they remove it Monday?

I find that grocery stores that bother carrying any Passover stuff around here carry it year-round, as if someone is going to buy matzo in July.

The thing is, there are totally non-Jews out there who eat matzo when they don't have to. IDGI but go explain the goyim

Matzah available year round is nice for when I find myself with the urge to make matzah brei

Sometimes I have seen "Not Kosher for Passover Matzah" year-round and yes I guess there are Goyim who go for that