Magic: The Gathering C/D

the deck is fine, it loses pretty bad to faster combo decks e.g. infect or storm but crushes the midrange decks and anything else that can't lock the game up in 4 turns

it's also a very easy deck to pilot relative to the rest of the format which is more relevant than people think in long tournaments like GPs imo

so, apparently this is real

http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/wastes.jpg

Definitely real along with several other related cards including new kozilek

first thought, does this make Domain/Sunburst go to 6?

no

it doesn't have a basic land type, is why

-it's a basic land, so Evolving Wilds and Rampant Growth can find it, and you can play more than 4 copies in a constructed deck.
-it doesn't have a type, so it doesn't count towards mechanics that count basic land types
-it produces colorless mana, so it doesn't count towards mechanics that count colors of mana

why they chose to add a colorless mana symbol midway through the block is pretty perplexing though, now all the spawn token making cards in the first set essentially have to get errataed since they should say 'add (C)' rather than 'add (1)'

yeah a new type of mana seems like a big enough deal that it should've been there from the start. I don't think the intention is to make Waste mana rare (in draft you can add as many of these as you want, right?) so yeah the fact that spawns don't produce it is rather odd

well spawns do produce it, so does hedron archive, kozilek's channeler and probably some other cards that im forgetting. they just dont have they new mana symbol on them which is potentially confusing

this ultimately seems more confusing than interesting/helpful, despite being designed to make things less confusing

the new ullamog seems very strong in older format decks that I hate like tron and mud

are we saying that spawns generate the same type of mana as Wastes? That's not how I read it. For example, I don't think you can cast Kozilek with just a bunch of spawns.

yes they do

yes, every card from sol ring to spawn tokens that used to produce {X} now produces {C}. or, really, they always produced {C} but there was no distinction btw {C} which is colorless mana and {X} which is generic mana of any color. now that there are cards that cost explicitly {C} to cost, its necessary for colorless mana producing cards to dilineate this

is {C} Wastes mana or just any colorless mana? are we saying here that a bunch of spawns can be used to cast new Kozilek?

as far as I know, none of this has been confirmed or clarified by Wizards, or have they come out with some kind of rules explanation already?

they just did confirm it

wastes mana = colorless mana

new ullamog is 8cc so you can't cast it with 10 forests but you can cast it with 8 forests and two urza's mines

ohhhhhhhhh

makes sense, hadn't seen the latest on this

(in draft you can add as many of these as you want, right?)

logistically it wouldn't make sense to have a new basic land be addable, since stores and players don't just have stacks of Wastes sitting around already, and not all drafts happen in WPN-sanctioned stores that get sent boxes of lands for events.

you prob don't want too many in your deck, unless this set really ends up playing like a 6 color set

oh and above references to ullamog were actually kozilek oops

all those dumb Timmy cards are the same to me h8 tron so much

I'm also surprised they didn't start using the new symbol in the previous set. Maybe they found there was too much baggage on top of the already pretty confusing BFZ. I guess having an Eldrazi Titan introduce a new symbol is pretty splashy though, and people might have guessed the mechanic if they introduced the symbol without including it in any costs. Anyway I think it's a cool mechanic. I made it to the pre-final round of the Great Designer Search several years ago and the world I created was based heavily on the mechanic of having to pay with colorless, but I wasn't sure if it would actually play well.

Y'all heard about the guy who wants to pay 40k if someone runs a Seance deck at the next PT?

Yeah lamp mentioned it in the bitcoin thread, pretty weird

https://twitter.com/utdzac/status/675211961915830272?s=09

this build actually seems pretty sweet, though probably a little too clunky. it would be playable at a local modern event at least.

I did have a seance deck during scars/innistrad standard that I played a few times as a gimmick, it had a combo kill where you seanced a 1-of mirror mad phantasm, used it to mill your whole deck, then seanced a lab maniac on your upkeep. Probably not going to cut it in modern though, it barely worked in standard

yeah I think that build is smart cause it's a value deck w/ something of a combo upside instead of being all in on reanimation. my guess is that it would have a hard time closing out games even after being ahead though.

my understanding is that he got a bunch of offers from ppl who are q'd but no one i know heard back from him. he then took down his reddit post for 'legal reasons' that went unelaborated on. popular speculation is that hasbro/wotc approached him asking him to rescind the offer. i like the theory that he found someone he liked to take up the offer and we're going to see someone jamming a seance deck at the pt but that seems... unlikely.

the same guy previously paid people to destroy copies of the card

also paid someone to wear a t-shirt with seance on it at a regional ptq iirc

ok can someone explain what the "expeditions" sets are? do certain Zenidkar packs just contain random foil lands? and are these cards Standard/Modern legal? because uh, some of these spoiled cards...

some Zendikar and Oathwatch packs contain random full art foil lands. They are only legal in a constructed format if the non foil versions are also legal. So expedition battle lands and ally fetches are legal in standard but enemy fetches and shocklands are not. However, they are all legal in limited if you open/draft them.

ahhh, that part is cool. I wished the original Zendikar treasures worked like that. I look forward to getting Strip Mined in draft, really I am

maybe they can throw a crucible of worlds reprint in OGW

LOL, forgot that they are legal in limited. You can keep your Strip Mine, I'll take an Ancient Tomb.

ancient tomb is pretty bad in fair limited

it's still pretty strong

maybe w/ the right deck, but in general you're making your mana worse and starting at like 14 life. if you're behind in a race and drawing poorly, now you've strip mined yourself cause you can't afford to use your land anymore. in my cube experience w/ the card, I've rarely found the variance worth it.

I agree with you that it's not usually that strong in Cube, but Cube also has lots of answers that are cheaper than the threats, as well as decks that really punish you for losing early life. Landing threats a turn early seems way stronger in BFZ limited, which doesn't have a lot of cheap answers. Also there aren't strong color requirements in this set, so I don't see that hurting much either. But who knows, you might be right that the life loss balances the card. I wonder if they even bothered to playtest the card in the limited env, given how rarely it will come up

yeah I mean it's true that if you curve out with that and a fast hand you win, but a cube game is also more likely to have that kind of perfect curve than a normal limited game. it's not that it can't be super good though, it's that it completely loses the game when it's bad.

kor haven seems like it would be pretty annoying to face in normal limited.

I doubt they playtested any of it in limited. At our store we ruled you could play the Zendikar treasures if you got them, which I thought was really cool, not knowing what could show up at any game (of course the few people who got them would tell everyone right away)

Been playing some BFZ limited and it's been strange, most matches play more like Cube than any other limited format. Also I 3-0'd one with a deck I thought was kinda janky (though it had a lot of good Awaken cards), then 1-2'd two Origins drafts that I thought I nailed, so who knows

haha yeah I'm sure they did zero playtesting, though it would be hilarious if someone lost a big protour match because of strip mine

This is definitely my favorite card spoiled so far:

http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/hedronalignment.jpg

i do enjoy an alt win con, just to see what ppl do with it. the abyssal persecutor that exiles your library is also a cool design.

overall i have been really liking the look of the oath cards spoiled thus far. both gold uncommon cycles seem pretty nice.

I love the design of that card, if you plan to abuse the ability then the undercosted flier likely isn't a big part of your gameplan, but if you want the flier than the ability is dangerous. Should be fun to see in Legacy Cube next year

UR 1/3 flying haste prowess is dope

also bone saw reprint as a trashy bridge card for the surge deck and equipment deck is cute, I enjoy these little details more than the big splashy cards these days

I'm looking forward to jamming Eldrazi Displacer into every deck I play.

Not looking forward to being wrecked by Kozilek's Return

yeah the u/r 1/3 dude is a card I am gonna buy 4 foil copies of immediately