Israel to World: "Suck It."

i think there's some disagreement over exactly why they moved from the WB to the Negev - iirc they didn't cite the boycott as being related (or said it had only a minor impact) but boycotters claimed it was. it's hard to imagine that there's a large enough group of people who will buy products in israel but won't buy products in the settlements that it made financial sense to move an entire factory.

idk if he can convince them to eat hummus.

initially read that as "...eat humans," and was thinking, i wouldn't be surprised if rush limbaugh has been there already.

idk, it picked up a lot of press. The Israeli government's reaction to the EU labelling goods from illegal settlements indicated they think it'll have an economic impact.

xp

I disagree. I think that the Israeli government's reaction to the EU labelling goods is political not economic. They explicitly want East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights recognized as Israel, and large parts of the current governing coalition feel the same way about the WB (or at the very least Area C).

If you listen to some of the voices coming out of places like the Golan, or the WB settlements, you hear more outrage over the idea that they don't live in Israel than fear over economic deprivation. After all they do consider themselves to be living in the Holy Land, even if it might not be jurisdictionally the State of Israel. Which isn't to say there's no economic component at all but that I'm skeptical of its actual impact on the issue.

the second part of the sentence clearly says "...involved in Israeli policies violating Palestinian human rights and international law." now i know Mordy truly believes that no such violations exist, but that's another topic.

― ey mk II, Tuesday, December 1, 2015 5:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you read the descriptions of the other campaigns, it's pretty clear that virtually anything Israeli is interpreted to be "involved in Israeli policies..." -- e.g. all Israeli universities and cultural institutions.

ffs what is wrong with these ppl?

I've long wanted to write a rap couplet rhyming Rabinovitch with "all up in a bitch". Not being Jewish or even remotely skilled at rap rhyming however, I've accepted it's not my place. So here I am putting it out into the world, in hopes a Jewish rapper stumbles across this thread in search of source material. Shalom.

honestly the correct answer to that girl's question is probably, "do your own damn homework."

"and p.s. justice for palestine."

except:

Dr Levine, who completed her PhD at the University of Cambridge's Department of Archaeology before taking up research posts at Columbia University and Syracuse University in New York, told The Telegraph that if a school student from a different country had got in touch with her to ask about horses, she would have responded differently.

“Kids have questions, I usually answer their questions,” she said. “But I have agreed to BDS [the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel], and I do want to see justice for Palestine.

“In Israel the majority of Israelis support the policies of the government which abuses the rights of Palestinians, so the fact is I don’t want to help Israelis, and if you don't start with children where do you start?

"You have to ask yourself: what is there to gain from not talking to a 13-year-old girl? How does that solve anything?"

“And she is not that young anyway, her English is pretty good. If people don’t stand up for justice, the world is going to come to an end.”

ftr she's 13yo

i'm sure she only boycotts 13yo students who are involved in violating Palestinian human rights

that professor is way dumb but i do feel like you're kind of cherry-picking the most outrageous behavior by BDS'ers and characterizing at the norm.

first, this story was published today so it's serendipitous that it should occur while we're having this discussion, but second, it's really not hard to cherry pick occasions where BDS'ers act like idiots.

like u don't need to cherry pick. it's more like shooting fish in a barrel.

was the barrel made in israel?

eh

I guess what I fundamentally don't understand is why people who want to boycott Israel don't boycott the United States, which certainly tells the world to suck it more vigorously and consistently than Israel ever has.

bc if it's too inconvenient not to boycott a piece of website software...

http://forward.com/sisterhood/325637/for-the-womens-studies-association-the-bds-vote-was-over-before-it-began/

The voices of Jews and others whose positions are rooted in the right of Israel to exist as a state have been silenced. Following my remarks at the BDS round table, there was just one comment from the audience validating some of my points, but I received many private expressions of support and appreciation for my “courage.” Several people told me it would be damaging to their careers to openly express opposition to the resolution.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/sandler-rips-waters-bds-in-fck-filled-israel-defense/

high level stuff

With friends like these...

http://forward.com/news/327466/can-jews-back-black-lives-matter-and-be-pro-israel/

it makes me sad that #blacklivesmatter has so thoroughly [been coopted by/aligned itself with] the pro-palestinian movement bc i'd like to support things like criminal justice reform, better community-police relations, ending the war on drugs, etc. but if they've explicitly decided to foreground their movement w/ hostility towards israel/zionism i'm off-board. they can do w/out me i'm sure but why limit yr message unnecessarily by muddling two v different situations linked in only the most superficial ways.

maybe I'm not paying attention but I have never seen anything from BLM related to Israel

characterizing BLM as "explicitly foregrounding their movement w/hostility towards Israel/Zionism" seems like an overstatement to me, and nothing in that article really suggests otherwise

this just reads like classic left-wing circular firing-squad stuff, different groups with different agendas trying to make ONE BIG AGENDA, cast out apostates etc., albeit on a very small scale

i hope yr right, i don't think BLM has anything to gain from inviting the I/P advocacy shit show into their movement.

yeah do yourselves a favour and leave it alone guys

I feel like there are various "causes" floating around in leftist protest circles that inevitably try to attach themselves to whatever cause-du-jour is making waves and getting press and the anti-Israel contingent is one of those. Those Maoist/Marxist International Workers Party people are another.

or maybe I'm thinking of the International Socialist Organization, I can't keep my crackpot Stalinist apologists straight

I have definitely seen examples of blm x free Palestine, but I also don't know that is say it's "foregrounded." Would probably have to ask
someone who's a little closer to it though.

FFS, Bennett.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.694620

On Monday, Israeli lawyer Amir Ohana was sworn into the Knesset, replacing the recently resigned Likud politician Silvan Shalom. What made the event particularly noteworthy was that Ohana, the chair of Likud’s Pride Caucus, is the party’s first openly gay MK, a fact he emphasized in his inaugural speech to the parliament by referencing his partner and their children.

“I am here as the son of Meir and Esther Ohana, who immigrated from Morocco to build a country,” he opened. “I am here with my other half, Alon, my true love. I am here as the father of the children Ela and David. And like [the biblical] David who defeated Goliath in the Valley of Ela, I am here against all the odds. I am here with all of who I am and what I am, what I’ve chosen and what I haven’t, and am proud of it all: Jewish, Israeli, Mizrahi, gay, Likudnik, a security hawk, a liberal, and a man of the free market.”

x-post-I guess this is not a surprise coming from right-winger Bennett

Israeli writers and politicians roundly criticized the Education Ministry's decision to ban a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country. Israeli author Sami Michael said that the decision constitutes "a dark day for Hebrew literature," while author Haim Be'er called the move "a dizzying and dangerous act."

Among the reasons stated for the disqualification of Dorit Rabinyan’s “Gader Haya” (literally “Hedgerow,” but known in English as “Borderlife”) is the need to maintain what was referred to as “the identity and the heritage of students in every sector,” and the belief that “intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.” The Education Ministry also expressed concern that “young people of adolescent age don’t have the systemic view that includes considerations involving maintaining the national-ethnic identity of the people and the significance of miscegenation.”

"This is none of [Education Minister] Naftali Bennett's business," Be'er said. "Tomorrow he will disqualify 'Behind the Fence' because Bialik's hero falls in love with a Christian and he'll create a committee to monitor relationships in literature. This is a dizzying and dangerous act that he's doing in order to find support in his crowd after he praised the Shin Bet and his stock went down, that's clear."

A.B. Yehoshua, another Israeli novelist, said "The book 'Borderlife' is a great, deep book written in rich and emotional language that has already earned a wide audience and critical acclaim. The book also tells the tragedy of relationships between Israelis and Palestinians.

from wiki

On February 2012, Bennett published a plan for managing the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, called "The Israel Stability Initiative."[17][18] The plan is based in part on parts of earlier initiatives: "Peace on Earth" by Adi Mintz and the "Elon Peace Plan" by Binyamin Elon, and relies on the statements of the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Likud party ministers that spoke in favor of unilateral annexation of the West Bank. Bennett opposes the creation of a Palestinian state: "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."[26]

Once he annexes the west bank, what does he plan to do with all those Arabs who apparently threaten Jewish identity?

iirc his plan is just to annex area C which is 80% jewish.

Doesn't annexing area C just create a bunch of Palestinian islands? I don't really get that idea, even assuming it was ok.

essentially yeah - it makes islands of Hebron, Bethlehem, Ramallah, Salfit, Nablus, Qalqiliya, Tulkarm, Jenin, Tubas and Jericho. if you wanted to give bennett's plan some unearned credit tho (since afaik he never has said this) one could easily annex all the Jewish-majority areas of the WB and leave a contiguous state between those cities w/ v limited settler evacuations. at this point that's actually how i assume the occupation will end: unilateral withdrawal of IDF back to v generous settlement lines. that's assuming the gov does it before israeli demography becomes entirely mizrahi/charedi at which point u kno who the hell knows.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/opinion/the-assassination-in-israel-that-worked.html

dubious argument imo. rabin promoted policies that would be considered to the right of bibi today. you'd have to believe that he'd have evolved on the issue.

While one is tempted to say that if Rabin were alive there would be peace today, this seems uncertain at best. His relationship with Yasser Arafat was never strong. More critically, given Rabin’s policy positions—at least the ones he would publicly articulate—itis far from certain that he could have closed the gaps, especially when it came to security arrangements and Jerusalem. In his last Knesset speech, and at times beforehand, Rabin emphasized that Israel should retain security control of the eastern frontier of a Palestinian entity in the Jordan Valley and said that he did not want to divide Jerusalem. He even said he envisioned the Palestinians having “less than a state” but his views may have evolved had he lived. (The gaps between Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, who says he supports a two-state solution, and Palestinian President Abbas on these same issues make a grand deal any time soon look very unlikely.)

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/what-would-rabin-do-213324#ixzz3wJgccQZr

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.696313

Footage aired on Channel 2 on Thursday shows a prominent Israeli leftist activist describing how he led to the death of Palestinians who sought to sell West Bank land to Jews.  

The activist, Ezra Nawi, of the Israeli-Palestinian Taayush group, was secretly recorded saying that he had turned in the land brokers to Palestinian security services, who would then kill them.

The report by the program Uvda looked into left-wing groups which operate in the West Bank. The footage was obtained by right-wing activists who infiltrated these groups in attempt to discredit them.

The footage of Nawi was captured by a right-wing activist who reportedly became his close acquaintance. In the footage, Nawi, who is unaware of being recorded, is heard telling of four Palestinian landowners who contacted him, thinking he was also involved in the land trade.

"I give their photos and their phone numbers immediately to the [Palestinian] Preventive Security Force," Nawi says in the recording. "The Authority catches them and kills them. But before they kill them they beat them up."

these fucking people:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/world/middleeast/revolt-network-foments-new-brand-of-jewish-terror-in-israel.html?_r=0

want to read something really wild? from 2011:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/77378/girls-at-war

Roni Goldberg, the first girl in the slideshow (the 15yo w/ the Meir Kahane shirt reclining on a tree) was the woman whose wedding became infamous a few weeks bc attendees were stabbing photos of the Duma victims and waving guns around.

teenagers are the worst

“Aren’t they beautiful?” a psychiatrist and playwright from Jerusalem asked me, of such girls. “Pure faith mixed with youth. It’s the most erotic thing.”

ew

Criminal justice-washing: http://www.timesofisrael.com/life-sentence-21-years-in-jail-handed-to-minors-for-abu-khdeir-murder/