Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen

d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.

Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.

A. Begrand, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 21:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

You've got to be kidding me.

Advantage: Iommi.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

that should infact be a poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

poll w/ one option

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

you click on where it says new poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Plunge Protection Team, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Deciblog has a good take:

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Well, actually...

You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:33 (6 years ago) Permalink


pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:40 (6 years ago) Permalink


i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 01:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

As someone who, often as not, can't make it through a feature-length movie without running off to take a whiz at least once, I guess I admire Ozzy's dedication to holding the stage for an entire 2-3 hour show. There's a new TV ad out in which Ozzy pitches some manner of cell phone / mobile device / whatever the fuck you kids call it now in which he uses GPS to navigate his way to the w.c. in his own house which I will never look at the same again as a result.

Handsome Dan, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 07:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

how classic is black sabbath?

i was driving to a gig on the far side of bali with a car full of teenage punk rock roadies, mostly between the ages of 16 and 18. punk rock kids, mind you, not metlaheads (punks not dead in bali) anyway i didn't want to bore them with dance music or hip hop so i threw on "best of black sabbath" hoping they'd dig it... and those fuckers knew every note of the album. not just the guitar solo in paranoid, i mean they were air drumming the fills on snowblind, singing along with symptom of the universe etc. i doubt they'd ever seen the osbournes either. black sabbath is not just classic in america and england but all the way to the far flung reaches of the globe (if not the universe) i mean the group broke up a decade before these kids were even born ffs!

thats how classic black sabbath is.

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 10:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

╓abies, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Love that clip

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Always cool to see the moustache-less Iommi

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

he reminds me of greg ginn there. love the shot of geezer going nuts in his flares

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geezer rules

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was woken up this morning by the strains of Black Sabbath s/t coming from my house mate's bedroom. Pretty pleasant alarm really.

When I saw them live in '99, I cried. Stoked to see Heaven & Hell with Neurosis supporting in August.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 20:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

they're back! hurray?
After band members (most prominently Ozzy Osbourne) dropped hints of a possible reunion for at least a year, Tony Iommi confirmed that the original lineup of Black Sabbath has gotten back together and is planning an album and tour. Sabbath was last in the studio back in 2001, when work on a Rick Rubin-produced record stalled after Osbourne went to finish work on a solo album. In recent years, Iommi and Osbourne have battled over ownership of the Black Sabbath name, but that case was settled (with undisclosed terms) in 2010. "We're really looking forward to it and I think the stuff we’ve been writing is really good," Iommi said in an interview. "It's all been very hush-hush. Ozzy's been the worst at trying to hold it back. He's doing a lot of TV and he's being asked stuff about a reunion and he's going 'well I never say never'. He told me, 'I don't know what to say'."

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

has any of those rubin session leaked?

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

all i could dig up was this:

"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:59 (4 years ago) Permalink


You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

As I say, nobody's giving a definite no, just that one 'reporter' seems to have taken liberties with a 'private' 'conversation' or some such.

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 09:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Looks like this is definitely on:

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Judging by this twitpic on their official Twitter, they are playing the Whiskey today?

Or what?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nevermind, its a reunion press conference being held there, hosted by Rollins.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah this is on

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

So, wait, within the last few years did the band ever officially break up? I know they were suing each other, but I think it fishy to call it a reunion when it's really only been, you know, a few years off.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

well it's a reunion of the original line-up which hasn't played together since 1978 so I think that it qualifies.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's not true at all! I saw the original line-up a couple of times within the last decade. Unless you mean different than Ozzy, Geezer, Iommi and Ward? Because they've already reunited the hell out of this thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

most interesting thing about that (basically awesome) youtube clip is: new album 2012.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, "Am I Going Insane" badly needs to be on this album instead of Sabotage.

vmajestic, Monday, 19 October 2015 19:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

One of ILM's greatest gifts is interesting me in listening to an album that I probably never would have otherwise. Parts of side 2 sound like King Crimson!

Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Monday, 19 October 2015 22:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

BLACK SABBATH extends "The End" tour into Fall 2016

Haha, these fuckers.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

Should I go see them y/n

If y, is the likelihood of a good show better toward the beginning or end of this now-epic tour?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think Ozzy has some sort of hearing issue because he's not singing on key at all anymore. He sounded great on the last album though, but anyway my vote is no. Actually its likely your last chance to see Iommi so if you haven't already you should go.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

I've never seen them. My wife, a deep level Sabbath fan, thinks it will be a waste of money.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

I saw them in 1999 had a great time and got to see Heaven and Hell (aka Dio Sabbath twice) and that was a treat too. One of my good friends who's a serious Ozzy defender says his singing is cooked.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

I probably already did this but I recreated my "We Sail Through Endless Skies: The Quiet Black Sabbath Album" mixtape I put up on ILM years ago on Spotify:

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

I saw Sabbath (with Bill Ward) in 2004, and Heaven and Hell in 2007. Even though I like 13, and would like to hear them perform some of its songs live (I know they'll probably play one, if that), I'm done.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

I heard plenty of talk of a new album guess that's not happening now? I'd be plenty excited for that. 13 surprised me.

DavidLeeRoth, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

he's not singing on key at all anymore.

Like some other singers - say, David Lee Roth, actually - singing on key has not been in the cards for decades. I've seen Ozzy solo several times, and Sabbath twice - once with Ward, once with Bordin - and every time Ozzy sounded off-key. But hey, it didn't really hurt the show, and he seemed to be having so much fun up there, what with his incontinence-disguising buckets of water and all.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

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