Woodrow Wilson - Classic or Dud?

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waiting for the right to chortle over the supposed deliciousness of left wingers taking on Woody's reputation.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link

i once found myself quite by accident in staunton, virginia, wilson's birthplace. i went to the W.W. museum and it was kind of a whitewash (pun not really intended). the guy held some views and did some things that seem rather progressive, and other views/things that seem unconscionably retrograde. i'm not sure it's right to say--as some have--that his racism was unexceptional for the time. i actually think that even among his own milieu he was a bit outspoken in his racist attitudes.

i'm not sure what taking his name off of anything will accomplish, but it's not like people are in any danger of forgetting woodrow wilson, so i don't mind it. for the same reason i didn't mind that the DGA took D.W. Griffith's name off of their yearly prize, which some people reacted to like it was the end of the world.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

i don't think any ideological faction would really be comfortable claiming the entirety of wilson's legacy, which is complex and very mixed.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

He resegregated the federal government, which is worse than what Grover Cleveland ever did re civil rights.

I think one of those demands is absurd. "The left" has known about Wilson's contempt for civil liberties and civil rights for years.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link

He resegregated the federal government, which is worse than what Grover Cleveland ever did re civil rights.

yeah, that's what i mean. not only was his racism fairly virulent even among his class, but he had a position from which he could do a lot of damage. and he did.

that said, it does seem to me that there are probably lots of more important and substantive things to protest than the name of a building or college... not just matters of racial justice (mass incarceration, police abuse, unequal employment and housing opportunities) but also some global matters that we as americans are complicit in (like drone strikes, environmental collapse). i guess you could say that all these things go together, somehow, and to protest one thing does not mean you can't protest another. but it does seem to me that a lot of righteous anger is being focused on what in the grand scheme of things seem like trivial matters. obviously a lot of folks don't agree w/ me on that.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link

fucking hate woodrow wilson. if nixon wasn't literally guilty of treason, i'd rank him worse than nixon. on the other hand, the idea of "making the world safe for democracy" is probably more geopolitically astute than any us president since 1979. :(

rushomancy, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Chas Pierce on the 100th anniv of the current American Empire

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53792/american-empire-bob-lafollette-wilson/

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 March 2017 13:37 (seven years ago) link


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