Def Leppard 'Hysteria': C/D?

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I don't know if this has been mentioned but the SINISTER REAGAN SAMPLES are what inch it even more towards classic

this will be played heavily at my delusions of grandeur party, even though this album's grandeur is earned!

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the SINISTER REAGAN SAMPLES are what inch it even more towards classic

There's number 32!

"THEY COUNTED WRONG."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

*missile sounds*

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

28) I need to go buy this album on my lunch break now.

Dammit I do too. In late middle school, I worked for a landscaping company raking leaves in the huge rich-people yards in the neighborhood where the governor's mansion is located in Nashville. I'm pretty sure Hysteria was the only thing I ever listened to on my walkman while doing that... It used to take me an entire 6-8 hour day to rake one of those yards, and I'd listen on repeat/auto-reverse the whole time.

Simply the fact that the drummer had one arm and that he stayed the drummer. What utter dedication

Rick Allen also managed to get arrested for assaulting his wife with only one arm. I tell ya the guy just never gave up in the face of tragedy.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, I think I've already written enough about this album. (= my whole second book, more or less.) That said, I haven't listened to it for years. (maybe because i wrote a whole book about it?) also, when i first heard it, i didn't like it at all. then i named the title (easybeats/raspberries/cheap trick as, er, muzak) ballad as a top ten single, and then the red light yellow light green light go crazy little woman in the one man show rap kicked in, then g.g. killer queen dizzy lizzy benny and the jets and all of "rocket"'s dub-metal, and then the rhinoceros in that one video and the t. rex riffs and everything. right now, i'd say i probably prefer pyromania, and if forced i'd maybe even be more likely to listen to either of the first two albums, just 'cause the songs are shorter (maybe punchier too?). but i'm still not martin popoff, who in HIS metal book loved the first three records and then gave hysteria 0.0 out of 10.0. Part of what makes the album so great, i think, is that metal guys DO hate it.
Plus it totally invented Shania Twain (among lots of other things).

chuck, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Shania Twain was born when Rick Allen's lost arm was zapped with radiocativity!

Gilles Meloche (Gilles Meloche), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

There's good discussion on this thread:

The decline and fall of Mutt Lange

including mention of British tv documentary about making the album, which I wouldn't mind seeing.

I like it, but Pyromania will always mean more to me, even as I recognize Hysteria is certainly the more strange record, a singular document. I just like the tunes better on the earlier record.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Supa-Classic.

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I'm wicked late to this thread, but to answer the question:

DUDD!!!!

Def Leppard officially stopped mattering after the last note strcuk on Pyromania. After said album, the boys ditched all their sonic ties to the NWOBHM that spawned them and basically attempted to become a vaguely metallic version of Wham! I, for one, have never forgiven them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

a vaguely metallic version of Wham

But that's brilliant!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex NYC in hating fun shocker!

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

There's only 92 albums that I know I like more!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Wham! were never nearly so prog; Human League makes WAY more sense:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDSUB020405181212270411&sql=A8isxlfde5cqq

chuck, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, nice. You included the quote about how Phil Oakey said that Def Leppard were a Sheffield synth group like the HL in one of the books, didn't you? Or so I recall.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fun" is a relative term. If you consider "fun" to be defanged, sugar-coated soylent green, then you just go right on ahead and choke yourself down some, Rickyboy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Soylent Green is made of Leppard!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Very inconsistent. I bet nobody can list all the songs on Side 2 in the correct order.

dave q, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, lemme try:

"Gods of War"
"Don't Shoot Shotgun"
"Run Riot"
"Excitable"
"Hysteria"
"Love and Affection"

Right. *checks CD* Hey, you might be right! I needed to switch "Hysteria" and "Excitable"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, production history yadda yadda, two great big hollow singles, one additional actual good song, better than Pyromania, but you do realize that this album sucks, right?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

hollow singles are good for smuggling drugs into the country.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

you do realize that this album sucks, right?

It does?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf, I TOTALLY could name all the songs in order for side 2. And I knew "Hysteria" came right before "Excitable." I was a little uncertain about whether "Run Riot" or "Don't Shoot Shotgun" came first until I remembered how awesome the segue is between "Shotgun" and "Riot."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

now Pyromania I'd be clueless about after "Rock Of Ages."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I remembered how awesome the segue is between "Shotgun" and "Riot."

Reason 33!

34) How did I forget this? The weirdass "COUNTDOWN COMMENCING -- FIRE ONE!" in "Rocket"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

35):

Step inside
Walk this way!
You and me babe
HEY HEY!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

36) And to invoke T. Rex again -- oh "Armageddon It," how I love you. Those verses are pure Bolan but then they shift to Sweet on the first part of the chorus and THEN Slade for the title itself.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

37) E-bow guitar mysteriousness to help start "Gods of War" -- and I do believe that's the first time I ever heard such a thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

38) The way that the backing vocals for the third and fourth repetition of the title in "Run Riot" turn into this GORGEOUS hook on top of all the other ones.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

39)"[just] like a fire needs flame"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

*mops Ned up off of the floor and puts him into a bucket so none of him dribbles away before he gets a chance to solidify again*

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

man even if Hysteriawas dudder than dud, which it's definitely not, DL really lost it with Adrenalize which I've tried to erase from my memory.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's not go there. But here's some alternate history to ponder -- they get it together (and maybe Steve doesn't die and all) and release Adrenalize a year earlier, before That There Nirvana Album came out. Remembered more fondly, or not?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, it's still probably smoked by Slave to the Grind and Use Your Illusion 1&2

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Slave to the Grind probably as that was earlier in the year.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

'Promises' from Euphoria is pretty good, and probably better than all but three tracks on Hysteria.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

those halcyon days of '91 pre-Nirvana, when all we wanted to do was rock out...

You and I together in our lives
Sacred ties would never fray
Then why can´t I let myself tell lies
And watch you die every day

I think back to the times
When dreams were what mattered
Tough talking youth naivete

You said you never let me down
But the horse stampedes and rages
In the name of desperation

Is it all just wasted time
Can you look at yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

Is it all just wasted time
Can you live with yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

Paranoid delusions they haunt you
Where´s my friend I used to know
He´s all alone
He´s buried deep within a carcass
Searching for a soul

Can you feel me inside your heart
As it´s bleeding
Why can´t you belive you
can´t be loved

I hear you scream in agony
And the horse stampedes and rages
In the name of desperation

Is it all just wasted time
Can you look at yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

Is it all just wasted time
Can you live with yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

You said you never let me down
But the horse stampedes and rages
In the name of desperation

Is it all just wasted time
Can you look at yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

Is it all just wasted time
Can you live with yourself
When you think of what
You left behind

The sun will rise again
The earth will turn to sand
Creation´s colors seem to fade to grey
And you´ll see the sickly hands of time
Will write your final rhyme
And end a memory

I never thought you´d let it get
this far, boy....

great now I'm crying

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned! You put so much thought & effort into the dozens of posts on this thread (and indeed, HUNDREDS of posts throughout ILX) that there's no way I wasn't going to acknowledge you alongside Chuck! I'm still pretty sure that reading your respective musings re Hysteria is more enjoyable than actually listening to it. But I'm a bit of a weak-willed individual, so who knows? I see it in flea markets for $4, I may just give it another chance, see if my opinion's changed in 15 years. After all, I once gave up on Astral Weeks prematurely, then was intimidated into buying it a second time...and found it just as boring as before.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still pretty sure that reading your respective musings re Hysteria is more enjoyable than actually listening to it.

Haha! Well, to each listener their own. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

>Slave to the Grind<

Sucks ass, and always has. (Hair metal band chickens out and tries to get "heavy," what dipshits.) Their first LP was the only listenable one. But had *Adrenalize been released a year or two earlier, it still would have been overshadowed by plenty of great Warrant, Faster Pussycat, and Cinderella albums (among other things) regardless.

chuck, Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Wrong Chuck

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

great Warrant

Sort've an oxymoron, there.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

and Cinderella, come on

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I'm no Cinderella fan, but they were a fuckuva lot better than Warrrant. Faster Pussycat, meanwhile, are in a totally different class (and to cite them alongside Warrant does them a disservice).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

true on both counts

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

In approximate order:

1. Cinderella, Long Cold Winter
2. Faster Pussycat, Where There's a Whip There's a Way
2. Warrant, Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich
3. Warrant, Cherry Pie
4. first Faster Pussycat album
5. Pyromania
6. Cinderella, Still Climbing
7. first Skid Row
8. Hysteria
9. Warrant, Dog Eat Dog
10. first Def Leppard
11. Warrant, Ultraphobic
12. second Def Leppard
13. Cinderella, Heartbreak Station
14. first Cinderella album
15. Slave to the Grind

(and that leaves out Bang Tango, Kix, etc, etc...)

chuck, Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Metal Mike Saunders:

>WARRANT. great band, great live band, two great hammer-down hard rock albums that no one (outside of their fan base) even knows exist--DOG EAT DOG and ULTRAPHOBIC. great songwriter (jani lane). great lead singer (jani lane). oh, and one of the best stage "frontmen" ever (again, jani lane). Warrant and JL (as a writer/singer/frontman) are absolutely the most underrated rock band of all time, from Little Richard through Hilary Duff.

If they'd had a cool name, a "cool image" (like the MC5 who took great photos but when push came to shove, were fuck-up loser junkies who choked over and over outside of their midwest fan base...as in, Grand Funk took the "detroit sound" to the country, however watered down or second-rate; MC5 totally failed, not to mention their halfassed studio recordings, third-rate at best), and had never done the "Cherry Pie" video or tune (which nonetheless is total trash-rock genius, close to the "Louie Louie" of its time)...i dunno, use your imagination.

if "Poison" (giant green logo everywhere, not bad) had been named "Warrant" (uncool name, no logo) and "Warrant" vice versa, is anyone gonna bet me two-bits that Warrant (with the different, cooler name) wouldn't be the no 1 band on that VH1 Top 40 Hair Metal Band Of All Time countdown?

Just punch up http://www.amazon.com and see what Warrant's fan base thought of DOG EAT DOG in the "buyer's reviews"...that is possibly the best heavy-guitar melodic heavy metal album of its entire generation. close to amazing. seriously. It of course came out it the hellmouth of the explosion of 1992 grunge crap-deluge everywhere, and so got buried; the band's manager died, their headlining tour tanked and was canned halfway through, the band splintered/broke up for a year...etc. There's probably a great unreleased Jani Lane solo album between the various (later) Jabberwocky and Lane-solo stuff that CBS eventually decided not to put out (he initially retained a CBS deal after the band was dropped in the mass purge of nearly all major-label hair metal bands, most of whom obviously deserved to return to the hellhole they came from).

if you are a hard rock/metal fan but don't own those 3rd and 4th Warrant albums DOG EAT DOG and ULTRAPHOBIC, your entire collection should be confiscated and traded in for Hilary Duff DVD's yesterday. I say this as someone who heard and loved it all first-wave heavy metal from ground zero, Sabbath in 1970-71 until "heavy metal" turned to formula crap within about a decade. For Warrant to cut a substantial body of truly great or near-great melodic and heavy melodic-metal during the nadir of idiot clueless poser hair-metal and speedmetal bands, was a remarkable accomplishment. (In baseball, that'd be called the "ballpark factor").

After the Beatles, Kinks, and Beach Boys (or whoever you prefer) as 60's giants, i rate Warrant's catalog (much smaller obviously) as impressive as anyone's since. AC/DC w/Bon included. also: if you don't own the CBS catalog best-ofvCD, THE BEST OF WARRANT, you know nothing about this band's music! that is a truly great, near-perfectly sequenced 16-tune set. And top to bottom it rocks as hard as ANY rock bandof the 80's.

for the record, i rate the Small Faces, Green Day, Warrant and a couple others as my favorite catalogs since the Class Of 1963-64 trioka (i'm rounding up a bit with the Beach Boys). I love AC/DC and Sabbath but there's only really two albums by each that kick my ass (and not the common favorites...over here it's LET THERE BE ROCK and IF YOU WANT BLOOD YOU'VE GOT IT, all the way.<

chuck, Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Night Songs is next to last? Craziness!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Warrant eats a sack of drippy sphincters.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry I just don't buy the overwhelming critical hype over warrant

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link


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