― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
(Ha ha Tracer maybe I just don't post to the interweb about my troubles as much as some.)
― Josh, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― david h(owie), Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― queenoftheharpies, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
For the Suicides in memory: J & G & J
If we recall your voices As softer now, it's only That they must have drifted back
A long way to have reached us Here, and upon such a wind As crosses the high passes.
Nor does the blue of your eyes (Remembered) cast much light on The page ripped from the tablet.
* * *
Once there in the labyrinth, Your were safe from your reasons. We stand, now, at the threshold,
Peering in, but the passage, For us, remains obscure; the Corridors are still bloody.
What you meant to prove you have Proved: we did not care for you Nearly enough. Meanwhile the
Bay was preparing herself To receive you, the for once Wholly adequate female
To your dark inclinations; Under your care the pistol Was slowly learning to flower
In the desired explosion, Disturbing the careful part And the briefly recovered
Fixed smile of a forgotten Triumph; deep within the black Forest of childhood that tree
Was already rising which, With the length of your body, Would cast the double shadow.
The masks by which we knew you Have been torn from you. Even Those mirrors, to which always
You must have turned to confide, Cannot have recognized you, Stripped, as you were, finally.
At the end of your shadow There sat another, waiting, Whose back was always to us.
When the last door had been closed, You watched, inwardly raging, For the first glimpse of your selves Approaching, jangling their keys.
Musicians of the black keys, At last you compose yourselves. We hear the music raging Under the lids we have closed.
-Donald Justice
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 4 March 2008 06:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
what are you, like emo gershy?
― sanskrit, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 01:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?
I really like Ned's first post on this thread, but more because it's so Ned, not so much out of agreement with it.
― Casuistry, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
It is very me, isn't it. The sentiment remains the same, though I'd express it differently now.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
the best solution for those worried about their impact on the environment is to kill themselves
― jaxon, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
Sitting with my back to the street on top of a 75-story building, revolver placed firmly in mouth.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 03:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
i don't think it's bad at all, and donald justice was rather high regarded, so I think you'd have to destroy THIS universe, unfortunately
― akm, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ah, Love! Could you and I with Fate conspire To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire, Would we not shatter it to bits - and then Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!
(for Casuistry)
― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
you smug piece of shit
― bug, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
RIP big man
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm with Ned here, but if I had no firearm access and had to off myself, I'd take a massive heroin OD.
― libcrypt, Sunday, 9 March 2008 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
wow, Casuistry. I posted a poem that's incredibly moving to me, one by universally respected American poet only recently deceased, and you zinged it. Fuck you, die slow.
― J0hn D., Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― The Reverend, Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
the collateral damage of criticism
― omar little, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
how has dorothy parker not been quoted on this thread?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
Guns aren't lawful, nooses give, gas smells awful, you might as well live?
― kate78, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
I had a dream that the Suicide thread was resurrected! ILM wins.
― Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQwqxgsybw
― gershy, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
J0hn, whatever sadness you've felt that led you to post that -- I (obviously, I should hope) was not trying to zing that.
But sure, de gustibus non disputandum and all that, so I should have just let it pass.
But I'll remember that J0hn thinks that a "universally respected" poet had damn well better stay "universally respected".
(Also, of course, Donald Justice was not in any way "universally respected". Like most poets, he was "generally ignored". I don't hang out with the sorts of poets who would consider him to have been on the map of the world of poetry -- not because they're bad people, just because that's not the world of poetry that I live in. And what little I've seen about him didn't seem especially interested or engaged, but that's all I can go on.)
― Casuistry, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
according to this INFOGRAPHIC there will be more than twice as many suicides as homicides in the US this year.
Intially I thought "That's prepostourous!", but then i realised i knew 2 people who had committed suicide but i don't know anyone who has been murdered.
― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
Other things that struck me as odd:
More deaths from lightning than fireworks, spiders and sharks combined, challenging my view of a lightning strike as a rare, unlucky event.
Also, only 270 deaths a year from alcohol poisoning? What are all the alcoholics dying of?
― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
What are all the alcoholics dying of?
liver disease, kidney failure, complications from diabetes, dui accidents, etc. etc.
alcohol poisoning is acute, alcoholism is chronic. only a fucking amateur would die of alcohol poisoning.
― chicago kevin, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
that infographic is for men, not all people in the US
― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
not trying to be a pedant or anything! but i would like to know the suicide:homicide ratio for women too, now.
― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
More die from foreign object left behind during surgery than shark attack.
― libcrypt, Monday, 18 August 2008 06:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
as opposed to being the foreign object left in the shark, as it were.
― darraghmac, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
you actually made that joke
― Just got offed, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
when? oh.
― darraghmac, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
In 2004, the female suicide death rate among those aged 15 years and older was 5.7 per 100,000 females, compared to a rate of 22.4 per 100,000 males.
In countries like Australia, Canada and the US - about 3-4 men kill themselves as compared to 1 woman.
I can't find any homicide-victim rates that are divided by gender.
― Abbott, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
More men are raped then women if prison rape is counted :(
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.
What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.
WHO THE FUCK TEXTS ABOUT THIS
― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 05:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
I immediately call him, and he says "Now's not a good time, I'm about to go onstage", because I guess his band is about to play somewhere. I hate this. Every time with him, he's just drunk, but if I don't call him back or answer his call, I would never forgive myself if he went through with it.
― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 05:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
What a thread for a Friday night.
If someone is going through with it, their call won't come at a time it could be answered. You won't be the only person called if there is still hope.
It isn't somebody else's fault. Not anybody that could do anythign about it.
― 10 out of 10 for the rich dry tatse (james k polk), Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
OTOH if he is bothering to call, generally it means he does want to be heard. Not that I'm saying you should blame yourself if you miss a certain opportunity, but it does matter. Then again, I hate drunks, so fuck it.
― Nhex, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
If people are going to do it, they will call when it's too late (as in phone to say bye and hang up) or leave a note.
― not_goodwin, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
Why the fuck are there so many people with emotional health problems and the like here? Not just this thread, but ILX in general. It's enough to make a person nervous.― Josh
― velko, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't know. Why aren't there decent responses to people who are seriously depressed? Ever try calling a suicide hotline? They blow.
It just doesn't seem like (American) society is serious about people's health, mental or physical.
― u s steel, Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
Oh you get that feeling too?
― tits akimbo (kenan), Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
As weird as American health care is in general, mental health is the red-headed stepchhild. Don't get me started. Just... don't.
― tits akimbo (kenan), Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't think it's that much better here (in Belgium). The problem is that mental health is such a "vague" thing, difficult to diagnose, difficult to treat, and psychology is still regarded to many (here) as,well, not part of science. "Failed doctors" is what my friend calls'em. Actually many people here think it's better in the US (the way it's approached, not the health care, am I making myself clear?)
The whole "bc they called, means they're not gonna do it" is a crap line. Because you tend to... trivialize it all - well, they're not really serious about it. Do not consider it as though it's only a cry for help. Treat it seriously, as though they will do it.
So he has to keep living because you all felt crap? What about him? This line won't really work. He's in deep shit, depressed. I know you mean well, but you gotta stop thinking from your standpoint if you wanna get through him: he's in a world where he only sees himself (in a deeply shitty situation).
Would a pigeon have worked better? Text message is... easier. When I feel extremely shitty and want to express myself then I usually prefer to chat. Yes, CHAT. Because otherwise I start crying 'n' shit and I find it humiliating. Also, I can express myself better through the written/typed word. (haha -> Still, can't really write well though. hahah)
― the tip of the tongue taking a trip tralalala (stevienixed), Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^^^^ very otm. less personal the medium, easier it is to say stuff.
― iatee, Saturday, 28 March 2009 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink