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The Torah instructs a Jew not to eat (or even possess) chometz all seven days of Passover (Exodus 13:3). "Chometz" is defined as any of the five grains (wheat, spelt, barley, oats, and rye) that came into contact with water for more than 18 minutes. This is a serious Torah prohibition, and for that reason we take extra protective measures on Passover to prevent any mistakes.

Which brings us to another category of food called "kitniyot" (sometimes referred to generically as "legumes"). This includes rice, corn, soy beans, string beans, peas, lentils, peanuts, mustard, sesame seeds and poppy seeds. Even though kitniyot cannot technically become chometz, Ashkenazi Jews do not eat them on Passover. Why?

The Smak (Rabbi Moshe of Kouchi, 13th century, France) explains that products of kitniyot appear like chometz products. For example, it can be hard to distinguish between rice flour (kitniyot) and wheat flour (chometz). Therefore, to prevent confusion, all kitniyot was prohibited.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm throwing myself in with the Sephardic camp this year.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Take a Hot Dog
and make it Kosher

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh makes more sense, and yes, I know the story, but I'm wondering why go so much further than just bread, I mean, Matzah is just unleavened bread, still has wheat in it and all, it's not like they didn't have enough time to cook pasta when escaping Egypt.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

Which is to say, eating corn is a long ways away from letting bread rise.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

Don't eat that - EAT THIS

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

passover is a great holiday.
G R E A T

BUT, the Haggadahs have not arrived in the mail from my grandfather yet and I'm also getting a bit nervous about seating... also, anyone have a good veggie matzoh ball soup recipe? vegetarians certainly won't eat teh brisket.

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

apparently quinoa is ok.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

good to qui-know-a

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Seven days of quinoa and matzah sounds . . . constipating.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Can we turn this thread also into a list of all of the awesome things about being jewish in general?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

1. Chosen people.
2. Latkes

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

3. Talmud

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

4. hot sabbath sex

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

5. Neuroses

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

6. control of the media/money

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

― quincie, Monday, April 6, 2009 11:58 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This may explain my increased secularism that started around the time I became vegetarian.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

6. Noodle kugel

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

7. Tikkun olam as commandment

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

7. anything heimische...

suggest bánh mi (suzy), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

8. Lady rabbis (in non-Orthodox movements)

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

9. All our base

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tikkun olam is my favorite part of Judaism ever. Concept and metaphor equally awesome.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Golders Green and St. Louis Park eruvs.

suggest bánh mi (suzy), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

10. sense of humor

cutty, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

what's the deal with "rabbi jose" btw

CNTFACE (omar little), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

11. Woody Allen movies

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

vicky cristina barcelona?

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

12. Tongue (not explicitly Jewish I know)

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

no thx

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

13. Philip Roth
14. Having an entire holiday dedicated to alcohol (Purim)
15. Klezmer

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

14. Having an entire holiday dedicated to alcohol (Purim)

^^^this

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

13. Philip David Lee Roth

fixed

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

Today there's a blessing you can make on the sun that can only be made like once every 25 years. That's pretty cool.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, klezmer wildly OTM but I find Roth totally 100% repellent.

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

according to the brooklyn paper this is only the 3rd time in history that the sun is in the same position during passover that it was when it was first created

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

^^^^ awesome

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

going to an orthodox seder as a favor to moms, not looking forward to it (mostly because it goes well past midnight, is an hour and a half away, and i have to work in the morning)

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

One sucky thing about being Jewish: Often (like this Passover), the two days of Chag run into Shabbat, which means that observant Jews (including my family) will be keeping three days straight of no electricity and such. Almost everyone always secretly cheats around the second day to take showers.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

You can take a shower, I thought, you just can't dry off? What if you stood with your arms out until you air dried?

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Or put on a big fluffy bathrobe?

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

my dad is currently trying to make me feel guilty for not going to a sedar

iatee, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

according to the brooklyn paper this is only the 3rd time in history that the sun is in the same position during passover that it was when it was first created

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, April 6, 2009

you and i both know that there is no significance whatsoever to this, though. i read it in the paper.

he sounded italian enough to give me something (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

what did the paper say?

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

14. Tallits look comfy. Not so different from a snuggy.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

xxpost the significance is awesomeness

iatee, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

So kosher for pesach is stricter than regular kosher, right? That would explain why the jewish bagel store down the shops had a big sign saying "NONE OF OUR PRODUCTS ARE KOSHER FOR PASSOVER PLEASE NOTE" which I didn't quite understand til now.

I've said this before, but I'm fascinated by all these traditions and rituals in Judaism. It is very odd, now I think on it, but I grew up knowing absolute zero about Jewish culture. There just werent any orthodox jews in the city I grew up in. Where I live now OTOH is an area concentrated with mainly Hassids and Lubavicts (I think thats right?).

one art, please (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

having just finished six months of judaism class i'm ready to drop science at my gf's family's passover

CNTFACE (omar little), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

hahaha... make sure you explain the whole "all the days of our lives" thing

s1ocki, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

this probably belongs on a few different threads but why not here?:

http://patijinich.com/recipe/post_1/

good stuff IMO

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 15 April 2016 05:56 (4 months ago) Permalink

This is probably a question best for Mordy, but has anyone written a good theological defense/explanation etc. of strict observance of all of the mitzvoth without belief in God? And conversely, what are the best defenses of Reform-type Judaism from a theological perspective (i.e. not merely justifying it using secular terms).

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Thursday, 21 April 2016 20:01 (4 months ago) Permalink

What you probably want is an argument from historical revelation (that as our understanding of morality develops so should our practice). This is a better answer for justifying Reform-type Judaism (which makes most sense in a sociohistorical context imo) but not for strict observance without belief in G-d. Essentially though if you accept this historical based revelation than you can believe in the Torah even while believing that it was a changing document. Can also be a nice way to square parts of the Torah you don't like with the divinity of the Torah as a whole -- that our current level of revelation demonstrates that we can't understand, say, Leviticus, the same way it was understood in 1000BC. That it wouldn't even be an appropriate way of practicing the Torah. You can also fold in development of the oral Torah into this. Every since taking Brill's Revelation course at YU (looks like the syllabus is here: http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/713482/rabbi-alan-brill/revelation-materials-unit-i-five-models-of-dulles-and-some-21st-century-questions-/) I can't help but think of these models in terms of their use - what questions they're coming to answer, or problems they're coming to address. That's why I think ultimately Reform is best understood as a response to acculturation into German Protestant culture and less as a stable theological theory. nb that Heschel's Torah from Heaven revelation model answers a lot of these same questions but keeps more of the divine revelation at Mount Sinai (which historical revelation only just barely preserves).

Re the other question I don't have a good answer (tho possibly you could make one from cultural preservation, or communal fidelity) but I did hear stories about Yeshiva students who were leaving their schools en masse during the high point of the Haskalah movement and there's a story I've heard that in Slabotke Yeshiva bochurim would smoke on Shabbos while learning gemara bc learning gemara was just too geshmak. This isn't really the same thing but it kinda gets to the same idea that maybe there are reasons to participate in these traditions despite not signing on to much of the theological underpinning it.

Mordy, Thursday, 21 April 2016 20:26 (4 months ago) Permalink

I'm not Jewish. This is the Jewish-related thread I always see--maybe there's a better one...Flipping through DVDs at the flea market this morning, the guy beside me, in his 60s, holds up the old musical Till the Clouds Roll By.

"Isn't 'till' misspelled there?"
"No, that's right--you can spell it 'till' or ''til.'"
"Doesn't that 'till' mean moneybox?"
"It means both."
"Okay...It's Hollywood, it's Jews, and they're well educated."

And then I'm almost positive he said "Thanks, Ben"--maybe it was "Thanks, then," but I don't think so. Not my name, and, well, our evolving friendship hadn't really gotten to the exchanging-names stage yet.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2016 17:15 (4 months ago) Permalink

Reminds me of a group trip I took as part of a tour group to a Casablanca, Morocco market where one bargains for the price and someone saying to me later--"I hate that Jewing down stuff"

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 April 2016 21:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

in case anyone was wondering the magic key to fluffy matzah balls is seltzer water and whipped egg whites

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 April 2016 21:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

Someone wrote a letter to the editor complaining about a picture printed in the newspaper a few days ago of local Hasidic Jews burning chametz. "The bread should have been composted."

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 14:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

That reminds me a little of the people who clucked at the Hassidic Jews whose home burned down because of a Shabbos hot plate malfunction. Any excuse to vent your discomfort with the other.

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 14:26 (3 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

some very interesting stuff in here about the intersection between halacha and labor:
https://kavvanah.wordpress.com/2016/05/24/benjamin-brown-on-halakhic-labor-law-statist-or-democratic/

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 00:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

lipa watch

Mordy, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 21:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

it's unbeLIPAble

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Hey Jews! I have a new job with my local Jewish Social Services!!! I'm super happy, it is a fantastic org with about a 50/50 mix of Jews/non-Jews both on the staff and client side.

Double bonus: I get both the usual federal holidays AND the Jewish holidays off! 20 paid holidays, holy shit.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 21 August 2016 18:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

Yay quincie! Mazel tov.

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Sunday, 21 August 2016 18:23 (3 days ago) Permalink

Thank you. The folks who interviewed me liked that I talked about tzedakah and tikkun olam in my cover letter, ha!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 21 August 2016 18:44 (3 days ago) Permalink

I hadn't really ever articulated it before my interview, but I found myself noting that my Jewish studies greatly influenced my decision to become a mid-life social worker. They really did.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Sunday, 21 August 2016 18:46 (3 days ago) Permalink

Tikkun olam is a powerful organizing principle and I want to learn more systematically about it.

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Sunday, 21 August 2016 19:19 (3 days ago) Permalink

the way tikkun olam is used by renewal (and how it has entered popular humanist judaism imagination) is somewhat distinct from its original context (in kabbalah). there's an association between the meanings but i think something is lost in the contemporary usage. acc to kabbalistic account of creation G-d first created a perfect world. but the world was too perfect - too rigid in its completeness - that it shattered. that was the world of tohu (the void). the second world G-d created, our world, was the world of tikkun. and in that world sparks from the shattered vessels of tohu were scattered. when you do a mitzvah you elevate those sparks birur nitzitzut (essentially doing a mitzvah brings the will of G-d into the physical world and so that's a way of perfecting the world, by bringing G-d's presence, in a way that doesn't shatter reality). so that's the original tikkun, but you can see how it transmuted to become a softer concept of just doing good things to make the world better - minus the esoterica.

wiki says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohu_and_Tikun

The implications of Tohu-Tikun underlie the origin of free will and the realm of Kelipah (evil), caused by Shevirat HaKelim/Shevirah (Hebrew: שבירת הכלים‎‎ "Shattering of the Vessels" of Tohu), the processes of spiritual and physical exile and redemption, the meaning of the 613 mitzvot (Jewish observances), and the messianic rectification of existence. Through this Tikun/Tikkun (תיקון) also has an active meaning, the esoteric Birur/Beirur/Birurim (Hebrew: בירור‎‎ "Sifting/Clarification") of concealed Nitzotz/Nitzutzei Kodesh/Nitzutzot (Hebrew: ניצוצות‎‎ "Sparks" of Holiness) exiled in physical creation. This new paradigm in Kabbalah replaced the previous linear description of descent with a dynamic process of spiritual enclothement, where higher "souls" invest inwardly in lower "vessels". Related to the primordial cosmic realms of Tohu-Tikun are two associated spiritual states for interpreting existence, psychological temperaments, or stages in the spiritual development of the individual.

The cosmic drama of Tikun in Lurianic Kabbalah inspired the 16th-18th century popular Jewish imagination, explaining contemporary oppression and supporting messiah claimants but the most important Tikun is to have peace and order in Creation. The revivalist Hasidic movement, from the 18th century onwards, internalised esoteric Lurianism through its own concern with experiencing Divine Omnipresence amidst daily material life. The terminology of the modern Jewish ideal of Tikkun Olam ("Fixing the World"), popularised by Reform Judaism, is taken from the Lurianic concept, but applied more widely to ethical activism in contemporary society.

Mordy, Sunday, 21 August 2016 20:09 (3 days ago) Permalink

Yeah I remember reading some version of the kabbalistic account at some point in my rather mystical teenage years and finding it rather inspiring

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Sunday, 21 August 2016 20:12 (3 days ago) Permalink

I rather hope that there's a progressive case to be made that Jews engage in tikkun olam not (only) because it's our word for the ethical dictates of secular social justice efforts but because it is a mitzvah (in the fullest possible theological sense available to atheist Reconstructionists such as me)

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Sunday, 21 August 2016 20:15 (3 days ago) Permalink


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