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The Torah instructs a Jew not to eat (or even possess) chometz all seven days of Passover (Exodus 13:3). "Chometz" is defined as any of the five grains (wheat, spelt, barley, oats, and rye) that came into contact with water for more than 18 minutes. This is a serious Torah prohibition, and for that reason we take extra protective measures on Passover to prevent any mistakes.

Which brings us to another category of food called "kitniyot" (sometimes referred to generically as "legumes"). This includes rice, corn, soy beans, string beans, peas, lentils, peanuts, mustard, sesame seeds and poppy seeds. Even though kitniyot cannot technically become chometz, Ashkenazi Jews do not eat them on Passover. Why?

The Smak (Rabbi Moshe of Kouchi, 13th century, France) explains that products of kitniyot appear like chometz products. For example, it can be hard to distinguish between rice flour (kitniyot) and wheat flour (chometz). Therefore, to prevent confusion, all kitniyot was prohibited.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm throwing myself in with the Sephardic camp this year.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Take a Hot Dog
and make it Kosher

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh makes more sense, and yes, I know the story, but I'm wondering why go so much further than just bread, I mean, Matzah is just unleavened bread, still has wheat in it and all, it's not like they didn't have enough time to cook pasta when escaping Egypt.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Which is to say, eating corn is a long ways away from letting bread rise.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

Don't eat that - EAT THIS

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

passover is a great holiday.
G R E A T

BUT, the Haggadahs have not arrived in the mail from my grandfather yet and I'm also getting a bit nervous about seating... also, anyone have a good veggie matzoh ball soup recipe? vegetarians certainly won't eat teh brisket.

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

apparently quinoa is ok.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

good to qui-know-a

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Seven days of quinoa and matzah sounds . . . constipating.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can we turn this thread also into a list of all of the awesome things about being jewish in general?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

1. Chosen people.
2. Latkes

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

3. Talmud

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

4. hot sabbath sex

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

5. Neuroses

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

6. control of the media/money

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

― quincie, Monday, April 6, 2009 11:58 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This may explain my increased secularism that started around the time I became vegetarian.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

6. Noodle kugel

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

7. Tikkun olam as commandment

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

7. anything heimische...

suggest bánh mi (suzy), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

8. Lady rabbis (in non-Orthodox movements)

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

9. All our base

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tikkun olam is my favorite part of Judaism ever. Concept and metaphor equally awesome.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Golders Green and St. Louis Park eruvs.

suggest bánh mi (suzy), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

10. sense of humor

cutty, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

what's the deal with "rabbi jose" btw

CNTFACE (omar little), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

11. Woody Allen movies

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

vicky cristina barcelona?

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

12. Tongue (not explicitly Jewish I know)

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

no thx

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

13. Philip Roth
14. Having an entire holiday dedicated to alcohol (Purim)
15. Klezmer

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

14. Having an entire holiday dedicated to alcohol (Purim)

^^^this

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

13. Philip David Lee Roth

fixed

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Today there's a blessing you can make on the sun that can only be made like once every 25 years. That's pretty cool.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, klezmer wildly OTM but I find Roth totally 100% repellent.

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

according to the brooklyn paper this is only the 3rd time in history that the sun is in the same position during passover that it was when it was first created

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^^ awesome

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

going to an orthodox seder as a favor to moms, not looking forward to it (mostly because it goes well past midnight, is an hour and a half away, and i have to work in the morning)

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

One sucky thing about being Jewish: Often (like this Passover), the two days of Chag run into Shabbat, which means that observant Jews (including my family) will be keeping three days straight of no electricity and such. Almost everyone always secretly cheats around the second day to take showers.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

You can take a shower, I thought, you just can't dry off? What if you stood with your arms out until you air dried?

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Or put on a big fluffy bathrobe?

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

my dad is currently trying to make me feel guilty for not going to a sedar

iatee, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

according to the brooklyn paper this is only the 3rd time in history that the sun is in the same position during passover that it was when it was first created

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, April 6, 2009

you and i both know that there is no significance whatsoever to this, though. i read it in the paper.

he sounded italian enough to give me something (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

what did the paper say?

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

14. Tallits look comfy. Not so different from a snuggy.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

xxpost the significance is awesomeness

iatee, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

So kosher for pesach is stricter than regular kosher, right? That would explain why the jewish bagel store down the shops had a big sign saying "NONE OF OUR PRODUCTS ARE KOSHER FOR PASSOVER PLEASE NOTE" which I didn't quite understand til now.

I've said this before, but I'm fascinated by all these traditions and rituals in Judaism. It is very odd, now I think on it, but I grew up knowing absolute zero about Jewish culture. There just werent any orthodox jews in the city I grew up in. Where I live now OTOH is an area concentrated with mainly Hassids and Lubavicts (I think thats right?).

one art, please (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

having just finished six months of judaism class i'm ready to drop science at my gf's family's passover

CNTFACE (omar little), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahaha... make sure you explain the whole "all the days of our lives" thing

s1ocki, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 00:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

re: Israel, let's be real, the most liberal of Reconstructionist shuls, whose rabbis happily conduct gay interfaith marriages, are still gonna have congregants divided on Israel right now. That a pro-Israel stance among Jews is seen as "right wing" by leftist commentators is sort of garbage.

re: Yiddish, the National Yiddish Book Center was on my college campus! It was really cool, and you can buy any of the books they have out and take them home with you. It was an incredible project. Much nicer building than any of the actual school buildings too, what with that Jewish philanthropy strike force.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

honestly this is one of the major reasons i'm pretty alienated from organized judaism. although my old congregation is mentioned at the end, as the one whose soon-to-step-down rabbi is actually a supporter of BDS (!).

i kinda wonder if this dynamic is the issue though? are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place? tho judaism as a theology+philosophy has a lot of space for outsiders to the community (both culturally - spinoza types - and even within the religion there are traditions of hermits and theological anarchists like the kotzker rav), the jewish community isn't separable from tribalism really.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place?

I don't think this is so.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

well, maybe more likely, but I think you'll find tribally-engaged Jews floating around campus BDS groups as often as not.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

ok, maybe not. that's just my impression reading jews who are active in BDS. i guess jewish voices for peace would be an exception - as a jewish community organization forming exclusively around the issue.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

i think it's always going to be controversial suggesting boycotting coreligionists for political (as opposed to theological) rifts. that'll never be mainstream jewish community.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place

I would say yes probably to some limited extent

tho judaism as a theology+philosophy has a lot of space for outsiders to the community (both culturally - spinoza types - and even within the religion there are traditions of hermits and theological anarchists like the kotzker rav)

this is one of the best things about the tribe imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

yes for sure, and i've benefited tremendously from it. i think there's actually been a breakthrough in a some traditional jewish communities around recognizing this. i think it's why i can participate in an orthodox community without fully committing to a 100% orthodox lifestyle, and i'm accepted in the community and invited for meals and my kids go to the school, etc. i see this in chabad and in modern/open orthodoxy and in traditional/conservative too. actually the conservative synagogue near my house is the supplier for free-range kosher chicken, as well as hosting the hazon sustainable food convention this year, which is being orthodox catered. there's a lot of commingling among millennial jews i find in this community from a kinda broad spectrum of practices.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

like for sure the historically traditional model of halachic performance was that everyone lived in the same community and you did what you did and some ppl were probably very stringent and some ppl weren't -- i think the worldwide jewish community kinda lose the thread on this post-WW2 (maybe for good reasons) but it seems to be making a comeback.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

That a pro-Israel stance among Jews is seen as "right wing" by leftist commentators is sort of garbage.

i have a hard time parsing this comment. surely many of those jews who are critical of israel's recent attacks in gaza and their policy of expanding settlements are very pro-israel in a more meaningful, existential sense?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

Well, yes.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

so what is your point?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

and which part of the article are you referencing?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'm not sure what I was reacting to with my comment, just built up ambiguous anguish.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

This is one of those extra-long Yom Kippur+shabbat years, huh.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

I mean the service is extra long. I assume the year is the usual number of days, although iirc that kinda varies with the Hebrew calendar?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

it's a 3-day yom tov aka two day yom tov + shabbos for the third day.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 22:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

so many lolz
http://www.shabbosapp.com

Mordy, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

Seattle's Reconstructionist chavurah doesn't ticket their HHD services so I might actually go to Kol Nidre on Friday.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 29 September 2014 21:30 (2 days ago) Permalink


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