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Yep. With family for Passover and they're huge kosher-keepers, so we're also kosher-keepers by default.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 14:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm all for eating some matzah, but no way I'm koshering my kitchen.

Also: not actually Jewish, so technically not obligated to do shit.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 14:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm invited to a house for passover where they'll be drinking and smoking lots of trees

Surmounter, Monday, 6 April 2009 14:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haha, ditto. Possibly the same one.

What does koshering actually involve, anyway? I'm vaguely aware of boiling water and possibly some earth or dirt or something? I know you can kosher stainless steel sinks and dishwashers etc but not ceramic or enamel ones. It must be enough of a pain that people cover their counters for Passover rather than deal with it.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

strut around with a candle looking for leavened shit

s1ocki, Monday, 6 April 2009 14:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay so I read this thread title to the tone/pace of the sample starting Front 242's 'Welcome to Paradise.'

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 April 2009 14:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

xxp

My parents fill their sinks with boiling water, then drop a burning hot brick into the water in the sink until it overflows on the counter. I think that's how they kasher their sinks. I know one guy who uses a blowtorch.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

whoa

s1ocki, Monday, 6 April 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah. You can't really blow-torch the Corian, can you. I guess I assumed you'd have to get a rabbi in for the ritual re-purification. Is that actually a DIY project? Cool!

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 15:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

We got offered a couple of really cheap apartments in a Lubavitch nabe, until they found out my roomie has a dog. But I specified that we wouldn't be a religious household, or keep kosher, and they were like, whatever, we can take care of that. So...really? The oven, too?

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Self-cleaning oven.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 15:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

And yeah, this stuff can all be done DIY style. As long as you know the laws, there's nothing you need a Rabbi for.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2009 15:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Awesome. I do love the endless ingenuity, practical AND theological.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 15:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm celebrating Passover by saying something about it on the internet.

Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Monday, 6 April 2009 15:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

we have some matzah in the house and will probably be going to a seder. I don't bother with the kosherness, I ain't wandering in any stupid desert.

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

i really like passover, am i crazy?

cutty, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

no its usually my fave

s1ocki, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

i bought kosher for passover coke yesterday. it's delicious.

right thread, Ned (mizzell), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

ooh nice

s1ocki, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's like thanksgiving, in april, without bread

cutty, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

OH SHIT PASSOVER COKE. Need.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

I am going to a seder (my first), but because the hostess can't do it on the usual night(s), we're doing it on the 18th. Pseudo-seder. But I'm still psyched. Might try to sort of keep kosher-ish just to see what it's like.

Ooooh and I'm in charge of making charoset for the pseudo-seder, so recipes pls!

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol i read that coke thing really wrong.
xposts

tehresa, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also: how much hebrew vs. english at your seder?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I never understood why anything other than unleavened bread is necessary though? I mean no bread as a symbol/reminder of events passed makes sense, keeping kosher out of respect for the period I can see, but, like not being allowed to eat corn? What's up with that?

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

um are you unfamiliar with the passover story or what

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh snap

s1ocki, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

During Passover, Jews refrain from eating chometz: anything that contains barley, wheat, rye, oats, and spelt, and is not cooked within 18 minutes after coming in contact with water. No leavening is allowed. This signifies the fact that the Hebrews had no time to let their bread rise as they made a hurried escape from Egypt.
Jews of different backgrounds do not observe all of the same rules. Ashkenazi Jews, who come from Europe (most Jews in America), also avoid corn, rice, peanuts, and legumes as they are also used to make bread and may have other grains mixed in. These items are known as kitniyot.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was anything that swells in contact with water? Or something like that. No corn syrup, in any case, which gives us delicious REAL SUGAR COKE.

guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Torah instructs a Jew not to eat (or even possess) chometz all seven days of Passover (Exodus 13:3). "Chometz" is defined as any of the five grains (wheat, spelt, barley, oats, and rye) that came into contact with water for more than 18 minutes. This is a serious Torah prohibition, and for that reason we take extra protective measures on Passover to prevent any mistakes.

Which brings us to another category of food called "kitniyot" (sometimes referred to generically as "legumes"). This includes rice, corn, soy beans, string beans, peas, lentils, peanuts, mustard, sesame seeds and poppy seeds. Even though kitniyot cannot technically become chometz, Ashkenazi Jews do not eat them on Passover. Why?

The Smak (Rabbi Moshe of Kouchi, 13th century, France) explains that products of kitniyot appear like chometz products. For example, it can be hard to distinguish between rice flour (kitniyot) and wheat flour (chometz). Therefore, to prevent confusion, all kitniyot was prohibited.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm throwing myself in with the Sephardic camp this year.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Take a Hot Dog
and make it Kosher

the drummer from the hilarious 1990's Britpop act Gay Dad (wanko ergo sum), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh makes more sense, and yes, I know the story, but I'm wondering why go so much further than just bread, I mean, Matzah is just unleavened bread, still has wheat in it and all, it's not like they didn't have enough time to cook pasta when escaping Egypt.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Which is to say, eating corn is a long ways away from letting bread rise.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Keep hearing the spoken intro to "One Step Beyond" when I see this thread title.

Don't eat that - EAT THIS

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

passover is a great holiday.
G R E A T

BUT, the Haggadahs have not arrived in the mail from my grandfather yet and I'm also getting a bit nervous about seating... also, anyone have a good veggie matzoh ball soup recipe? vegetarians certainly won't eat teh brisket.

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

apparently quinoa is ok.

mizzell, Monday, 6 April 2009 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

good to qui-know-a

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Seven days of quinoa and matzah sounds . . . constipating.

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can we turn this thread also into a list of all of the awesome things about being jewish in general?

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

1. Chosen people.
2. Latkes

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

3. Talmud

ian, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

4. hot sabbath sex

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

5. Neuroses

This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

6. control of the media/money

good god how do vegetarians ever survive during Passover without the grains?

― quincie, Monday, April 6, 2009 11:58 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This may explain my increased secularism that started around the time I became vegetarian.

mehlt, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

6. Noodle kugel

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

7. Tikkun olam as commandment

quincie, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

7. anything heimische...

suggest bánh mi (suzy), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place?

I don't think this is so.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

well, maybe more likely, but I think you'll find tribally-engaged Jews floating around campus BDS groups as often as not.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

ok, maybe not. that's just my impression reading jews who are active in BDS. i guess jewish voices for peace would be an exception - as a jewish community organization forming exclusively around the issue.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think it's always going to be controversial suggesting boycotting coreligionists for political (as opposed to theological) rifts. that'll never be mainstream jewish community.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place

I would say yes probably to some limited extent

tho judaism as a theology+philosophy has a lot of space for outsiders to the community (both culturally - spinoza types - and even within the religion there are traditions of hermits and theological anarchists like the kotzker rav)

this is one of the best things about the tribe imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:50 (2 months ago) Permalink

yes for sure, and i've benefited tremendously from it. i think there's actually been a breakthrough in a some traditional jewish communities around recognizing this. i think it's why i can participate in an orthodox community without fully committing to a 100% orthodox lifestyle, and i'm accepted in the community and invited for meals and my kids go to the school, etc. i see this in chabad and in modern/open orthodoxy and in traditional/conservative too. actually the conservative synagogue near my house is the supplier for free-range kosher chicken, as well as hosting the hazon sustainable food convention this year, which is being orthodox catered. there's a lot of commingling among millennial jews i find in this community from a kinda broad spectrum of practices.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

like for sure the historically traditional model of halachic performance was that everyone lived in the same community and you did what you did and some ppl were probably very stringent and some ppl weren't -- i think the worldwide jewish community kinda lose the thread on this post-WW2 (maybe for good reasons) but it seems to be making a comeback.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

That a pro-Israel stance among Jews is seen as "right wing" by leftist commentators is sort of garbage.

i have a hard time parsing this comment. surely many of those jews who are critical of israel's recent attacks in gaza and their policy of expanding settlements are very pro-israel in a more meaningful, existential sense?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

Well, yes.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

so what is your point?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

and which part of the article are you referencing?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure what I was reacting to with my comment, just built up ambiguous anguish.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

This is one of those extra-long Yom Kippur+shabbat years, huh.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

I mean the service is extra long. I assume the year is the usual number of days, although iirc that kinda varies with the Hebrew calendar?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

it's a 3-day yom tov aka two day yom tov + shabbos for the third day.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 22:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

so many lolz
http://www.shabbosapp.com

Mordy, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

Seattle's Reconstructionist chavurah doesn't ticket their HHD services so I might actually go to Kol Nidre on Friday.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 29 September 2014 21:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://finkorswim.com/2014/10/01/the-shabbos-app-yes-it-is-real/ < this is crazy and worth reading. if any of the language or references in it are confusing ask me but it's, imo, a game changer (probably over time tho - but ppl in my frum world on fb are already asking how long it'll be before mainstream orthodox opinion is that electricity is okay on shabbat).

Mordy, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 20:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

Many know about the psak of the Chazon Ish who prohibited electricity based on the melacha (Biblically forbidden creative activity) of boneh (building) because activating an electric device involves completing a circuit which is a form of building. Many people also know that this is not considered an accurate description of electricity or boneh by Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach.

hard for me to take this stuff seriously/worry about it for precisely these kinds of reasons

altho yeah that app is nuts for seeming to be expressly designed to violate shomer shabbos

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

I did lol at this tho:

When I asked the Shabbos App developer what Shabbat would look like if everyone would be using their smartphones, his answer reflected this sensibility. He said “Shabbat will look the way Hashem wants it to look!”

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

Interesting post and interesting site thx. I really need to hit you up more for jewish reading recs.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

Xp to mordy sorry

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think there's quite a lot in orthodox practice that revolves around the tension btw the spirit and the letter of law and what constitutes breaking vs navigating it. I find a lot of it silly roost times but I'm also fascinated by what motivates people to live that life, especially intelligent people who I doubt fear a literal angry God punishing them for disobedience.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

fwiw, I attended my first Yom Kippur service in years through an unaffiliated org that provides free services, and I even fasted (all the way until 4:30pm at which point we were at PS1 and my wife insisted on M.Wells Dinette -- could not pass up, sorry G_d).

The night before, although I did not attend a service, I did read through some of a rabbinical assembly mahzor and listen to the Richard Tucker recording of Kol Nidrei. I think it's probably my favorite piece of Jewish music, and although I feel weird listening to it outside its purpose, it is available on Spotify.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 01:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

We went to the family yom kippur service on friday. It was nice, lots of singing.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

I decided I mostly like Yom Kippur and I'm just going to shrug at the parts I don't like (the "who by fire" stuff etc.)

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah it was a relief that they go pretty light on the guilt stuff for the kids

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

Shlomo Sand doesn't want to be a jew anymore: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew

thoughts?

Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 October 2014 16:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

why doesn't he just stop being an Israeli

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 October 2014 17:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

considering his vile slandering of Jewish ppl I doubt he will be missed

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2014 19:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

generally confused by the piece myself

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 October 2014 19:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

Let's not forget Christian zionism was just as committed as Jewish. Isreal is the last stand and forefront of European colonialism.

Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

totally, well said

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

are you jewish RT?

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

Lots of Jews have "assimilated" over the centuries and given up identification with Jewish culture and religion, so that in itself is not particularly interesting. Sand seems like he's just crying out that reality is too much pain for him, and while I can sometimes relate to the sentiment I don't think his essay is very coherent.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

ok but guys the photo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

related: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.621899

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

if it isn't clear what's going on, that's one of the Women of the Wall trying to hug an ultra-orthodox protestor

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

women of the wall ftw

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

I've been wanting to read something about capes comics and crypto-Judaism, anyone know an academic/crossover book about this or should I just get around to reading Kavalier and Clay?

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 19:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I hated that book so no

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 19:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

there have been a lot of non-fiction on the topic published recently but i can't give a good recommendation bc i haven't read any of it. maybe look at:

http://www.amazon.com/From-Krakow-Krypton-Comic-Books/dp/0827608438/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=09WDS1ANGH5C0GMWSX27

Mordy, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 19:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

heading out to the hazon food festival now. v cool program imo:

Session 1 workshops include:

Quick Seasonal Pickling with Marisa McClellan
Bati LeGani: Planting Sacred Space to Connect Family, G-d, and Creation with Zohar Asbel (Children’s Programming)
Vegetable Gardening with Sally McCabe
Vegan Turkey Demo with Jasmin Ilkay
Food Insecurity in Israel with Leket
Shmita 101 with Rabbi Kevin Kleinman
Food Access Advocacy Work with Robin Rifkin
Raising Children with Shmita Consciousness – A Creative Laboratory with Rabbis Martin & Kelin
Baking a Difference with Challah for Hunger (Elana Silberstein)
Antibiotics in Agriculture with Sam Bernhardt
Snapshot of Moshe: The coming of Shabbat & Manna with Rabbi Arthur Waskow
Children’s Crafts & Storytelling with JKidPhilly (Lori Rubin)

Session 2 workshops include:

Small Batch Preserving with Honey with Marisa McClellan
DIY Pickling with Phickle (Amanda Feifer)
Turkey Butchering Session with Grow & Behold
Intergenerational Cooking Program with Tina Wasserman
Sustainability Through Eradicating Animal Farming with Dara Lovitz
Olive Oil: The essence of Hanukkah with Ronit Treatman
Faith-based Partnerships to Improve Food Justice in Philadelphia with The Food Trust and Rabbi Kevin Kleinman
Partnerships for Sustainable Community Food Systems with Ryan Kuck
Shmita Cycles in the Kabbalah: Different Torahs for Different Worlds with Joel Hecker
Shmita and Pre-agricultural Food Systems with Nati Passow and Bob Pierson
The Eco-Kosher Dollar with Rabbi Arthur Waskow
Children’s Crafts & Storytelling with JKidPhilly (Lori Rubin)

Mordy, Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:58 (6 days ago) Permalink

hazon festival was great

i've never heard about this chag before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigd

but since cheshvon doesn't have any other holidays i think i'm going to start observing it

Mordy, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:19 (2 days ago) Permalink

every time this pops up in my bookmarks i hear rita moreno yelling

So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:17 (2 days ago) Permalink


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