2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

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"inside baseball"

"david eisenhower"

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

that john hood post is incredible

goole, Saturday, 27 September 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

did you mean john cole post

TOMBOT, Saturday, 27 September 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

2, he said he would veto any spending on ANYTHING except defense. does anyone seriously believe that? I don't, but I also don't see how claiming you're doing to do that is a good move politically at all, when dams are crumbling and education is in the shitter. I've never seen a politician say they won't invest a dime in ANYTHING.

i've got a grandfather who'd follow a politician who said something like this to the ends of the earth :/

flyover statesman (will), Saturday, 27 September 2008 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought "John knows that doesn't go through my sub-committee, but that's Senate inside baseball. The real issue here is..." was a really strong way to deflect that attack.

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 27 September 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

trying to play gotcha with obama by raising arcane procedural aspects of government was a pretty bad tactic (strategy?), it made mccain seem like a bureaucratic fussbudget and obama parried it pretty deftly

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 27 September 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

made him look disingenuous let's not be charitable here

hunkerdowner (tremendoid), Saturday, 27 September 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

2, he said he would veto any spending on ANYTHING except defense. does anyone seriously believe that?

this was the wtf moment, besides mccain dropping russkie names like bam pow. i think he said defense and entitlements. contrary to what someone said upthread, i thought the philosophical contrasts were foregrounded pretty well, and through no special effort by, say, obama to frame and steer the conversation which is a bonus. it helps that deregulation and other relative abstractions have been dragged into the light of day, obama's got a lot of clay to work with.

hunkerdowner (tremendoid), Saturday, 27 September 2008 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Matt Taibbi from the latest Rolling Stone(2 Oct 2008 ish), (transcribed & copy & pasted from other places)
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The Lies of Sarah Palin
By Matt Taibbi

I’m standing outside the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minnesota. Sarah Palin has just finished her speech to the Republican National Convention, accepting the party’s nomination for Vice President. If I hadn’t quit my two pack a day habit earlier this year, I’d be chain smoking right now. So the only thing left is to stand mute against the fit-for-a-cheap-dog-kennel crowd-control fencing you see everywhere at these idiotic conventions and gnaw on weird new feelings of shock and anarchist rage as one would a rawhide chew toy.

All around me, a million cops in there absurd post-9/11 space combat get-ups stand guard as assholes in paper-mache puppet heads scramble around for one last moment of network face time before the coverage goes dark. Four-chinned delegates from places like Arkansas and Georgia are pouring joylessly out the gates in search of bars where they can load up on Zombies and Scorpion bowls and other “wild” drinks and extramaritally grope their turkey-necked female companions in bathroom stalls as part of the “Unbelievable Time” they will inevitably report to there pals back home. Only 21st-centrury Americans can pass through a metal detector six times in an hour and still think they’re at a party.

The defining moment for me came shortly after Palin and her family stepped down from the stage to uproarious applause, looking happy enough to throw a whole library full of books into the sewer. In the crush to exit the stadium, a middle-aged woman wearing a cowboy hat, a red-white-and-blue shirt and an obvious eye job gushed to a male colleague – They were both wearing badges identifying them as members of the Colorado delegation – At the Xcel gates.

“She totally reminds me of my cousin!” the delegate screeched. “She’s a real woman! The real thing!”

I stared at her open-mouthed. In that moment, the rank cynicism of the whole sorry deal was laid bare. Here’s the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.

And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she’s good enough likeness of a loudmouthed Middle American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant sized bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the sizzlin’ picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else’s, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because that image on TV reminds him of the mean brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.

Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she’s a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power. Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she’s the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV – And this country is going to eat her up, cheering every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation.

The Palin speech was a political masterpiece, one of the most ingenious pieces of electoral theater this country has ever seen. Never before has a single televised image turned a party’s fortunes around faster

Until the Alaska governor actually ascended to the podium that night, I was convinced that John McCain had made on of the all-time campaign-season blunders, that he had acted impulsively and out of utter desperation in choosing a cross-eyed political neophyte just two years removed from running a town smaller than the bleacher section at Fenway park. It even crossed my mind that there was an element of weirdly self-destructive pique in McCain’s decision to cave in to his party’s right-wing base in this fashion, that perhaps he was responding to being ordered by party elders away from tepid, ideologically promiscuous hack like Joe Lieberman – Reportedly his real preference – By picking the most obviously unqualified, doomed-to-fail joke of a Bible-Thumping buffoon. As in: You want me to rally the base? Fine, I’ll rally the base. Here I’ll choose this rifle-toting, serially pregnant moose killer who thinks God lobbies for oil pipelines. Happy know?

But watching Palin’s speech I had no doubt that I was witnessing a historic, iconic performance. The candidate sauntered to the lectern with the assurance of a sleepwalker – And immediately launched into a symphony of snorting and sneering remarks, taking time out in between the superior invective to present herself as just a humble gal with a beefcake husband and a brood of healthy, combat-ready spawn who just happened to be innocent targets of a communist and probably also homosexual media conspiracy. She appeared to be completely without shame and utterly full of shit, awing a room full of hardened reporters with her sickly sweet line about the high-school-flame-turned-hubby who “Five children later” is “Still my guy.” It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.

Within minutes, Palin had given TV audiences a character infinitely recognizable to virtually every American; the small-town girl with just enough looks and a defiantly incurious mind who thinks the PTA minutes are Holy Writ, and to whom injustice means the woman next door owning a slightly nicer set or drapes or flatware. Or the governorship, as it were.

Right-wingers of the Bush-Rove ilk have had a tough time finding a human face to put on their failed, inhuman, mean-as-hell policies. But it was hard not to recognize the genius of wedding that faltering brand of institutionalized greed to the image of the suburban American supermom. It’s the perfect cover, for there is almost nothing in the world meaner than this species of provincial tyrant.

Palin herself burned this political symbiosis into the pages of history with her seminal crack about the “Difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick,” blurring once and for all the lines between meanness on the grand political scale as understood by the Roves and Bushes of the world, and meanness of the small-town variety as understood by pretty much anyone who has ever sat around in his ranch-house den dreaming of a fourth plasma-screen TV or an extra set of KC HiLites for his truck, while some ghetto family a few miles away shares a husk of government cheese.

In her speech, Palin presented herself as a raging baby-making furnace of middle-class ambition next to whom the yuppies of the Obama set – Who never want anything all that badly except maybe a few afternoons with someone else’s wife, or a few kind words in The New York Times Book Review – Seem like weak, self-doubting celibates, the kind of people who certainly cannot be trusted to believe in the right God or to defend a nation. We’re used to seeing such blatant cultural caricaturing in our politicians. But Sarah Palin is something new. She’s all caricature. As the candidate of a party whose positions on individual issues are poll losers almost across the board, her shtick is not even designed to sell a line of policies. It’s just designed to sell her. The thing was as much as admitted in the on-air gaffe by former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan, who was inadvertently caught saying on MSNBC that Palin wasn’t the most qualified candidate, that the party “went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives.”

The great insight of the Palin VP choice is that huge chunks of American voters no longer even demand that their candidates actually have policy positions; they simply consume them as media entertainment, rooting for or against them according to the reflective prejudices of their demographic, as they would for a reality-show contestants or sitcom characters. Hicks root for hicks, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains. Sure, there was politics in the Palin speech but it was all either silly lies or merely incidental fluffery buttressing the theatrical performance. A classic example of what was at work here came when Palin proudly introduced her Down-Syndrome baby, Trig, then stared into the camera and somberly promised parents of special-needs kids that they would “Have a friend and advocate in the White House.” This was about a half-hour before she raised her hands in triumph with McCain, a man who voted against increasing funding for special-needs education.

Palin’s charge that “government is too big” and that Obama “Wants to grow it” was similarly preposterous. Not only did her party just preside over the largest government expansion since LBJ, but Palin herself has been a typical bush-era republican, borrowing and spending beyond her means. Her great legacy as mayor of Wasilla was the construction of a $15 million hockey arena in a city with an annual budget of $20 million; Palin OK’d a bond issue for the project before the land had been secured, leading to a protracted legal mess that ultimately forced taxpayers to pay more than six times the original market price for property the city ended up having to seize from a private citizen using eminent domain. Better yet, Palin ended up paying for the fucking thing with a 25 percent increase in the city sales tax. But in her speech, of course, Palin presented herself as the enemy of tax increases, righteously bemoaning that “Taxes are too high” and Obama “Wants to raise them.”

Palin hasn’t been too worried about federal taxes as governor of a state that ranks number one in the nation in federal spending per resident ($13,950), even as it sits just 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434). That means all us taxpaying non-Alaskans spend $8,500 a year on each and every resident of Palin’s paradise of rugged self-sufficiency. Not that this sworn enemy of taxes doesn’t collect from her own; Alaska currently collects the most taxes per resident of any state in the nation. The rest of Palin’s speech was the same dog-whistle crap Republicans have been railing about for decades. Palin’s crack about a mayor being “like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities” testified to the Republican’s apparent belief that they can win elections till the end of time running against the Sixties. (They’re probably right.) The incessant pausing about the media was likewise par for the course, red meat for those tens of millions of patriotic flag-waving Americans whose first instinct when things get rough is to whine like bitches and blame other people – Reporters, the French, those ungrateful blacks soaking up tax money eating big prison meals, whomever – For their failures.

Add to this the usual lies about Democrats wanting to “forfeit” to our enemies abroad and coddle terrorists, and you had a run-of-the-mill, almost boring Republican speech from a substance standpoint. What made it exceptional was its utter hypocrisy, its total disregard for reality, it’s total disregard for reality, it’s absolute unrelation to the facts of our current political situation. After eight years of unprecedented corruption, incompetence, waste and greed, the party of Karl Rove understood that 50 million Americans would not demand solutions to any of these problems so long as they were given a new, new thing to beat their meat over.

Sarah Palin is that new, new thing, and in the end it won’t matter that she’s got an unmarried teenage kid with a bun in the oven. Of course, if the daughter of a black candidate like Barack Obama showed up at his convention with a five month bump and some sideways-cap-wearing, junior-grade Curtis Jackson (50 cent) holding her hand, the defenders of Traditional Morality would be up in arms. But the thing about being in the reality-making business is that you don’t need to worry much about vetting; there are no facts in your candidate’s bio that cannot be ignored or overcome.

One of the most amusing things about the Palin nomination has been the reaction of horrified progressives. The internet has been buzzing at full volume as would-be defenders of sanity and reason pore over the governor’s record in search of the Damning Facts. My own telephone began ringing off the hook with calls from ex-Alaskans and friends of Alaskans determined to help get the “truth” about Sarah Palin into the major media. Pretty much anyone with an internet connection knows by know that Palin was originally for the “Bridge to Nowhere” before she opposed it (She actually endorsed the plan in her 2006 gubernatorial campaign), that even after the project was defeated she kept the money, that she didn’t actually sell the Alaska governor’s state luxury jet on eBay but instead sold it at a $600,000 loss to a campaign contributor (who is reportedly now seeking $50,000 in taxpayer money to pay maintenance costs).

Then there are the salacious tales of Palin’s swinging-meat-cleaver management style, many of which seem to have a common thread: In addition to being ensconced in a messy ethics investigation over her firing of the chief of Alaska state troopers (dismissed after refusing to sack her sister’s ex-husband), Palin also fired a campaign aide who had an affair with a friends wife. More ominously, as mayor of Wasilla, Palin tried to fire the town librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, who had resisted pressure to censor books Palin found objectionable.

Then there’s the God stuff: Palin belongs to a church whose pastor, Ed Kalnins, believes that all criticisms of George Bush “Come from Hell” and wondered aloud if people who voted for John Kerry could be saved. Kalnins, looming as the answer to Obama’s Jeremiah Wright, claims that Alaska is going to be a “refuge state” for Christians in the last days, last days which he sometimes speaks of in the present tense. Palin herself has been captured on video mouthing the inevitable born again idiocies, such as the idea that a recent oil-pipeline deal was “God’s Will.” She also described the Iraq War as a “task that is from God” and part of a heavenly “Plan.” She supports teaching creationism and “Abstinence only” in public schools, opposes abortion even for victims of rape, has denied the science behind global warming and attends a church that seeks to convert Jews and cure homosexuals.

All of which tells you about what you’d expect from a raise-the-base choice like Palin: She’s a puffed-up dimwit with primitive religious beliefs who had to be educated as to the fact that the constitution did not exactly envision government executives firing librarians. Judging from the importance progressive critics seem to attach to these revelations, you’d think that these were actually negatives in modern American politics. But Americans like politicians who hate books and see the face of Jesus in every tree stump. They like them stupid and mean and ignorant of the rules. Which is why Palin has only seemed to grow in popularity as more and more of these revelations have come out.

The same goes for the most damning aspect of her biography, her total lack of big-game experience. As governor of Alaska, Palin presides over a state whose entire population is barely the size of Memphis. This kind of thing might matter in a country that actually worried about whether its leader was prepared for his job – But not in America. In America, it takes about 2 weeks in the limelight for the whole country to think you’ve been around for years. To a certain extent, this is why Obama is getting a pass on the same issue. He’s been on TV every day for two years and according to the standards of our instant-ramen culture, that’s a lifetime of hands-on experience.

It is worth noting that the same criticisms of Palin also hold true for two other candidates in this race, John McCain and Barack Obama. As politicians, both men are more narrative than substance, with McCain rising to prominence on the back of his bio as a suffering war hero and Obama mostly playing the part of long-lost, future-embracing liberal dreamboat not seen on the national stage since Bobby Kennedy died. If your stomach turns to read how Palin’s Kawasaki 704 glasses are flying off the shelves in Middle America, you have to accept that Middle America probably feels the same way when it hears Donatella Versace dedicated her collection to Obama during Milan Fashion Week. Or sees the throwing-panties-onstage-“I love you, Obama!” ritual at the Democratic nominee’s town-hall appearances.

So, sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much as a slick piece of imageering as Sarah Palin. The difference is in what the image represents. The Obama image represents tolerance, intelligence, education, patience with the notion of compromise and negotiation, and a willingness to stare ugly facts right in the face, all qualities we’re actually going to need in government if we’re going to get out of this huge mess we’re in.

Here’s what Sarah Palin represents: being a fat fucking pig who pins “Country First” buttons on his man titties and chants “U-S-A! U-S-A!” at the top of his lungs while his kids live off credit cards and Saudis buy up all the mortgages in Kansas

The truly disgusting thing about Sarah Palin isn’t that she’s totally unqualified, or a religious zealot, or married to a secessionist, or unable to educate her own daughter about sex, or a fake conservative who raised taxes and porked up earmark millions every chance she got. No, the most disgusting thing about her is what she says about us: That you can ram us in the ass for eight solid years, and we’ll not only thank you for your trouble, we’ll sign you up for eight more years, if only you promise to stroke us in the right spot for few hours around election time.

Democracy doesn’t require a whole lot of work of its citizens, but it requires some: It requires taking a good look outside once in awhile, and considering the bad news and what it might mean, and making the occasional tough choice, and soberly taking stock of what your real interests are.

This is a very different thing from shopping, which involves passively letting sitcoms melt your brain all day long and then jumping straight into the TV screen to buy a southern Style Chicken Sandwich because the slob singing “I’m Lovin’ It!” during the commercial break looks just like you. The joy of being a consumer is that it doesn’t require thought, responsibility, self-awareness or shame: All you have to do is obey the first urge that gurgles up from your stomach. And then obey the next. And the next. And the next.

And when it comes time to vote all you have to do is put your Country First – Just like that lady on TV who reminds you of your cousin. U-S-A, Baby. U-S-A! U-S-A!

Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080927_Palin_grabs_a_seat_at_the_bar.html

While the crowd inside was friendly, hundreds of people lined the street outside in protest with signs that read things like "Palin is Santorum With Lipstick."

a) GROSS
b) time to update santorum.jpg with lipstick?

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:19 (fifteen years ago) link

"Palin is Santorum With Lipstick."

I think we've found the title of the next general election thread.

Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

also, philadelphia, grow up and learn how to name your bars. "irish pub"???

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

election.twitter.com has been discovered by McCainites who are trying to use it like a chatroom.

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

plz to post entertaining examples

Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Jesus Taibbi's rants are tiresome.

Martin Van Burne, Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Um, that sb "Jesus, Taibbi's."

Martin Van Burne, Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

He wants to be Hunter, but his writing is too shakey.

Nicole, Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:18 (fifteen years ago) link

TIME is the putrid KOS of magazines 21 minutes ago from Election 2008

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

hinnis I am so disappointed I didn't get to see Obama live. I've never seen a live racist in person. 2 minutes ago

MonkPDX Sara Silverman<------"Dykes for Obama" 2008 2 minutes ago

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Sara Silverman<------"Dykes for Obama" 2008

???

Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Christ that twitter election thing is the heat death of the universe in real time

J0hn D., Sunday, 28 September 2008 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link

politicalticker Palin takes questions during cheesesteak run http://tinyurl.com/4nalzt about 1 hour ago from Twitter Tools

12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link

http://twitter.com/notrolls <-- loool

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 02:30 (fifteen years ago) link

if you watch the twitter election scroll while listening to ariel pink you see the evil anti-God smiling from his fiery heaven

J0hn D., Sunday, 28 September 2008 02:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, all those pro-McCain twitter profiles created in the last 36 hours with no user pic and 100+ updates. Who do they think they're fooling?

Dan I., Sunday, 28 September 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Quick question, McCain said that North Koreans are 3 inches smaller than South Koreans during the debate. Was he saying short people are inherently evil?

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link

@JBax52 dude Obama Called John McCain Tim and JIm he couldnt keep his name stright and didnt adress him as Sent Mcacin the correct way 1 minute ago from web in reply to JBax52

^ apparently the first application of twitter for mainstream use will be making talk radio callers sound like geniuses

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Obama doesn't understand the real problems facing the middle class in America... obama is too hollywood.. $28,500 a plate?? less than 5 seconds ago from Election 2008

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Obama is going after people who are uneducated an easily fooled by the media 10 minutes ago from Election 2008

Favorite reply to USA_Patriot
community organizer?? LoL 11 minutes ago from Election 2008

Favorite reply to USA_Patriot
community organizer?? LoL 11 minutes ago from Election 2008

Favorite reply to USA_Patriot
If Hillary Clinton wants to win tin 2012, it would be best if Obama loses this election 11 minutes ago from Election 2008

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:32 (fifteen years ago) link

i wanna know why he said north koreans are smaller... seriously why

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link

web 2.0 will help us analyze the debate!!!!!

Common Words in Sen. McCain's Responses
afghanistan (11) against (13) american (14) control (12) country (12) defeat (11) general (12) going (19) government (17) iraq (17) lot (17) nuclear (11) people (22) president (21) russian (14) senate (16) senator obama (45) spending (28) strategy (17) tax (17) think (17) troops (11) understand (12) united states (27) work (15)

Common Words in Sen. Obama's Responses
afghanistan (19) billion (22) country (14) deal (15) done (14) economy (13) energy (13) going (55) important (18) iran (17) iraq (16) john (25) nuclear (17) president (25) problem (13) senator mccain (35) sure (24) talk (15) tax (27) think (40) troops (18) united states (13) war (14) work (16) years (21)

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link

n koreans lack nutrition, obv.

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Because of the brutal regime in North Korea. Lots of poverty and malnutrition.

john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link

whats their height have to do with anything

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link

obvious troll is obvious

john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link

yes. and john mccain opposes that brutal regime, and he thinks if north korean kids can get some good old waffles and syrup for breakfast instead of their smelly gook food then maybe they will grow up taller

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link

or they could just wear lifts, like mccain does

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link

His comment definitely came off as an insult to North Koreans because it was so out of place in the rest of his speech.

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 04:45 (fifteen years ago) link

" What Senator Obama doesn't seem to understand that if without precondition you sit down across the table from someone who has called Israel a "stinking corpse," and wants to destroy that country and wipe it off the map, you legitimize those comments.

This is dangerous. It isn't just naive; it's dangerous. And so we just have a fundamental difference of opinion.

As far as North Korea is concerned, our secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, went to North Korea. By the way, North Korea, most repressive and brutal regime probably on Earth. The average South Korean is three inches taller than the average North Korean, a huge gulag.

We don't know what the status of the dear leader's health is today, but we know this, that the North Koreans have broken every agreement that they've entered into."

this stray comment was so out of the ballpark.. not to mention, mccain smiled after saying it and obama said something like "wtf" I don't remember. also, why is he referring to the leader of north korea as the "dear leader?"

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link

That's what they call Kim Jong Il in NK.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 28 September 2008 05:33 (fifteen years ago) link

no, it's because McCain and Kim Jong Il are bff

john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Sunday, 28 September 2008 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link

ya it was a slip

s1ocki, Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Kim Jong-il (also written as Kim Jong Il) (born 16 February 1941, Vyatskoye, Soviet Union; official biographies state 16 February 1942, Baekdu Mountain, Japanese Korea) is the leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. He is the Chairman of the National Defense Commission, Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army, and General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea (the ruling party since 1948). He succeeded his father Kim Il-sung, founder of North Korea, who died in 1994, and commands the fifth largest standing army in the world. North Korea officially refers to him as the "Great Leader" or "Dear Leader".

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:05 (fifteen years ago) link

oh

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:08 (fifteen years ago) link

watching the opening snl sketch. Tina fey really does have that accent down, doesn't she?

Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:33 (fifteen years ago) link

It will be taken down soon, but for now:

john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Sunday, 28 September 2008 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link

i think the original interview was unsatirizable

hmmmm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 07:32 (fifteen years ago) link

It gets better & better! - While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000. The beliefs and manifestations of the movement include the use of 'strategic level spiritual warfare' to expel territorial demons from American and world cities.

from Sarah Palin's Churches and The Third Wave: New Video Documentary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/sarah-palins-churches-and_b_124611.html

Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 28 September 2008 10:06 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah the original interview > than the SNL version.

Vichitravirya_XI, Sunday, 28 September 2008 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link


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