STEVE ALBINI

there's so much music that's part of 'club culture' but also working against it that's just as noisy and underground as he wants, but who cares.

yeah, it seems like he would like it, unless nothing can change his unbending, reflexive disdain the ostensible means by which it was produced…

SA responds to on board: the guy who challenges him is not a native english speaker and so there is some mild condescension from Albini's sycophants…

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66456

"What I said is that I hate club music and culture, and always have. That's it.

I also hate the Tea Party and its culture. I hate Football and its culture. I hate the White Power movement and its culture. I hate shopping malls and their culture. I hate the Confederacy and its culture. I hate fancy restaurants and foodie culture. I hate reality TV and whatever culture it displays or inspires. I hate pop music and its culture."

can we poll steve's hates?

too many poptimists on ilxor. "i hate pop music and its culture" will win because snark

somewhere on that EA thread, albs expands on what it is that he dislikes:

I am objecting to the music and the timewasting/preening/showoff/drugging/profiteering/status-seeking/taxonomically-obsesseive/faddish/stylistically rigid/conceptually barren aspects of club culture, and again, the unbearably stupid music. If it has emancipatory potential, that would be great and I couldn't possibly object to it.

I love, for example, the way disco gave the gay community an avenue into mainstream culture and a platform for unironic flamboyance. Hated discos themselves and the much larger non-gay disco audience of silk shirt cokeheads, ditzy chicks and the upper crust having a spin. Hated it hated it hated it. That music was fucking awful. Those clubs were hell. Those people and the mob that profited off them were the fucking worst. Nice one Sylvester.

This correspondence had similar overtones, but it's about the ethics of civet poop coffee
http://sprudge.com/a-letter-from-steve-albini-39266.html

LIKES: civet poop coffee
DISLIKES: civet abuse

if anyone is in the have-opinions-for-money game and isn't too busy today there could be a good hot take fashioned out of Steve Albini and Claire Danes' respective attitudes to club culture

I like a lot of the music that Albini hates but dance clubs stress me out so I can't fault him for feeling the way he does

"What I said is that I hate club music and culture, and always have. That's it.

I also hate the Tea Party and its culture. I hate Football and its culture. I hate the White Power movement and its culture. I hate shopping malls and their culture. I hate the Confederacy and its culture. I hate fancy restaurants and foodie culture. I hate reality TV and whatever culture it displays or inspires. I hate pop music and its culture."

Man is a culture denier huh? #corbynJokes

"stylistically rigid"

says the guy who has been making the same record for the last 30 years.

Yeah, if there's ever a word that encapsulates Albini and his MO it's rigid.

I think Albini's response is pretty spot on, actually, although obviously I love a lot of dance music. He let the guy do what he wanted to do, and gave him material for a video and ad out of it to boot (albeit inadvertently). I'm just amused by the fact that it's a story that Albini hates club music and club culture: of course he does, he's got one of the most dyed-in-the-wool aesthetics of any musician ever, and he's been a crotchety old man about what he believes in since his 20s.

http://i.imgur.com/UMveCfs.jpg

he would not be kissin' up to gays in his 20s; i was there

i think there is something sorta charming about having this position in 2015

― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? what if Billy Corgan said the same thing? ... .... ... .. .

Wonder if he also hates metal for being similarly "stylistically rigid".

probably!

albini is a smart dude but smart dudes can still have some very dumb opinions too

i do want to see bob mould and albini team up to form a rival wrestling league to billy corgan's.

Mould wrote for WCW back in its heyday

I guess I don't really understand when we get surprised by stuff like this, I mean of course Albini wouldn't like dance music anymore than I would be shocked if I read an interview with BB King and he would slag off modern pop or when Keith Richards said he didn't like Metallica. A lot of people who have done great work are very tunnel vision and I don't necessirly think that's a bad thing, opposed to people like I dunno Beck who have super wide ranging influences

being miopic can advantages

Or like if you went to Chief Keef and said hey man you like Mission of Burma??? What's up? Cmoon man get with it

xp who is surprised by it? It's just an amusing interaction.

i do want to see bob mould and albini team up to form a rival wrestling league to billy corgan's.

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:57 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ill empty my bank account to make this happen

did anyone look at this? it was so funny!

this mostly made me lol but i'm sure someone will find a way to empathize with this well-told tale of SA's overzealous hero worship
http://thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/marissa-paternoster-screaming-females-talks/

― La Lechera, Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:18 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

That is funny.

Powell doesn't seem upset about it

http://thequietus.com/articles/18897-powell-albini-interview

this fucking guy is the all-time <i>this fucking guy</i>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xtZDkNAs0c

it's kind of interesting & indicative of the internet in 2k15 how no one appears to be really interested in powell's response here or on ned's facebook

pretty much, yeah

the flipside, though, is that a lot of people in 2015 have difficulty distinguishing between "appropriate for private conversation" and "appropriate for public conversation"

everybody forgot about this already.

it never happened.

RIP techno music & steve albini

i wasn't really following this 'controversy;' seemed pretty clear from me from reading the email exchange that there was no beef between these guys. is that what people were going with?

Apparently Steve Albini said something grumpy and rockist about music. News.

Just breaking

RIP, loved his work with Garbage and Shania Twain

I don't know who the fuck Steve Albino is

guitar player in Todd Trainer's band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0FYWcn8mL0

Come on though, Albini being all disco sucks in 2015 is like if Adorno wrote to Brotzmann in 1967 warning him of the perils of hot jazz and gramophone records: 'it might be the music of black liberation but I hate those men in spats, I hate their gin joints, I hate their Charleston dancing and their funny hair and their ukeleles, but most of all I hate their stupid zigga-zagga-zizzle singing!'

I don't think Albini is saying "disco sucks" so much as "Information Society sucks"

I always imagined he was thinking about early Ministry/Waxtrax stuff

His why-disco-sucked post is upthread a bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=413&v=Oem6gEEajZU

^^"song with the sample

His why-disco-sucked post upthread is a bit ...

anyway everybody otm itt