This is mentioned unthread, but one of the weirdest semi-related aspects of this case is that the Dubya-appointed federal judge who issued the court order is the son of Jim Bunning, All-Star Hall of Fame pitcher for the Tigers, Phillies, and Pirates(played with Al Kaline among many others, and pitched a perfect game).
Jim Bunning Sr retired from pro-ball and went into politics, eventually being elected as Congressman from KY. He held this seat until 2001, and his replacement? Rand Paul.
Pop culture is weird, and life can be dumber than fiction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bunning
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
whoever said she's "out-George Wallace-ing George Wallace" otm this is v civil rights era in terms of people openly defying established law and proudly martyring themselves. they won't win.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:31 (eight years ago) link
if there's anything the state unreservedly will never back down on, it's the power of the state
i bet her sympathizers are excited she got arrested, more victimhood bullshit to spout on about and get excited and mad about
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
Your GOP presidential candidates, ladies and gents:
Ted Cruz: I Stand With Kim Davis
Huckabee: Why is Kim Davis in Jail and Hilary Isn't Durr Hurrr Hurrrrrrr
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
She's set financially for life.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 September 2015 00:36 (eight years ago) link
I doubt it's a lifetime sinecure. Her value as a symbol of resistance will fade to nothing long before she dies, because the cause she's backing will fade away before too long. It will result in a rising tide of money over the next X weeks as the media circus continues.
― Aimless, Friday, 4 September 2015 00:54 (eight years ago) link
her punishment shoulda been to serve as a stagehand for the touring version of La Cage Aux Folles for a year.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 4 September 2015 01:10 (eight years ago) link
Have you seen her? She may not live very long.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 September 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
yeah, it was kinda like looking upon the wreck of the Ella Fitzgerald
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 4 September 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
Edmund...christ.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 4 September 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
Edmund Christ, younger brother of Jesus, never amounted to much
― go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Friday, 4 September 2015 02:28 (eight years ago) link
Don't underestimate a woman's longevity. Unless she's big smoker and boozer, the chances are good she'll hit at least 80, if not 90.
― Aimless, Friday, 4 September 2015 03:16 (eight years ago) link
i can't believe "wreck of the ella fitzgerald" is not a punk band or something
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 4 September 2015 03:27 (eight years ago) link
It's a joke in Love and Rockets iirc
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 03:44 (eight years ago) link
Ms. Davis remained in jail on Friday, and her husband said Friday that his wife planned to stay “as long as it takes” until a law was passed that gave county clerks like her the option not to issue marriage licenses that violated their religious convictions.
“She has done her job,” he said. “Just because five Supreme Court judges make a ruling, it’s not a law.”
go back to jr. high civics class, do not pass go
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
wow
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
her 4th husband btw
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Collect them all!
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
only God makes laws, iirc
― sleeve, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kim-davis-fourth-husband-says-clerk-wont-resign-tell-judge-bunning-hes-a-butt/
― polyphonic, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
planned to stay “as long as it takes” until a law was passed that gave county clerks like her the option not to issue marriage licenses
She has obviously not paid attention to how long it takes to pass a law, even under the best circumstances.
― Aimless, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
that law has no hope of passage or being upheld, it's so sad how people can't follow basic legal logic
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
like, Scalia is right - if your beliefs interfere with doing your job, you shouldn't have that job. it's not your right to have that job.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
maybe she's hoping Nino will dress as the Dark Nought and spring her.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/kimdavis917/status/640312688539623424
is this real
― j., Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link
certainly looks real. no hint of irony.
― Aimless, Sunday, 6 September 2015 04:50 (eight years ago) link
that Twitter account has to be fake
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Sunday, 6 September 2015 05:38 (eight years ago) link
yeah it's fake, go ahead and look up the bible verses she mentions
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Sunday, 6 September 2015 05:41 (eight years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/08/judge-orders-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-released-from-jail/
Bunning handled this p cleverly imo - basically demoted her
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
I'm curious what kinda tone the rally will take; will they soldier on blindly as persecution or do this as victory? Or both?
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
how dare the court prevent Kim Davis from not doing her job
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
queers are gettin married in the county, can't see how they can spin that as a victory
CNN is/watch broadcasting this shit live
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Is/was, rather
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
Not a victory for them but they are spinning it that way.
Her original goal was not to let marriage certificates leave her office because she had to rubber stamp them, which she viewed as participation. So her clerks couldn't either...RFRA case law shit all over that.
Now they have changed it to a rubber stamp that doesn't bear her name or post, just the office, and many of the ones signed when she was in jail had her place left blank.
and she and her lawyer are saying these are null and void without her stamp of approval. It has fuck all to do with her personal beliefs - she just wants to stop anybody gay from getting married in her building.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link
problem is it's not "her" building
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
It's GOD'S!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
so there's bumpkins with leaky brains actually protesting outside the Judge's house, asking the sheriff to take him to jail.
this would be the conservative Judge who likely doesn't agree with the SCOTUS ruling himself but understands how the law works.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 04:19 (eight years ago) link
Madonna's brother has opinions:
"Once again, the gay community feels the need to be sore winners," Christopher Ciccone, who is gay, wrote in a Facebook post. "The rights we have all fought for, mean nothing, if we deny her hers."
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
the right to inform her deputies to put themselves at legal risk and not issue marriage licenses
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 10 September 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
When did it become a sacred right never to be required by one's employer to do anything that conflicts with one's conscience? Because, if that's true, then -whoopee- the gravy train has pulled into the station and there's room on board for everyone!
― Aimless, Thursday, 10 September 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
like, Scalia is right - if your beliefs interfere with doing your job, you shouldn't have that job. it's not your right to have that job.― Οὖτις, Friday, September 4, 2015 3:07 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Friday, September 4, 2015 3:07 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is... complicated? there are plenty of whistleblowers at various levels of government who we'd applaud for "not doing their jobs." not to mention people working in a fundamentally unjust or murderous system, like nazi germany or, closer to home, america during either of the red scares.
it's not davis's unwillingness to "do her job" that makes her wrong IMO, it's the nature of what she will and won't do. the biggest problem is simply that she cites her religious beliefs, nothing more or less, in rationalizing her unwillingness to perform her duties. that makes her stance conflict with what judges have, for a long time now, considered a basic principle of the rule of law.
but in any case this is all a sideshow. the more compelling fact, IMO, is how many state, county, and other officials--who may disagree with the supreme court ruling and/or may hold deep-seated prejudices against gays and lesbians--are going along with the ruling. they amount to a consensus, which the media focus on davis obscures. so really, we should be celebrating. (though i admit it's somehow both angering and deeply satisfying to contemplate the awesome ignorance of davis and those who have rallied to her.)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 10 September 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
there are plenty of whistleblowers at various levels of government who we'd applaud for "not doing their jobs."
I don't see how this is relevant or analogous, really
like nazi germany or, closer to home, america during either of the red scares.
Similarly these were regimes/instances of the gov't acting in an explicitly illegal manner, the rule of law had gone out the window (again, not the case here, much as Davis' supporters would suggest otherwise. There has been no coup, no agency acting beyond its legal bounds)
and I didn't say it was her unwillingness to do her job that makes her wrong, it's her insistence that it is simultaneously her right to HAVE that job AND not do it.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
but the Nuremberg Laws were, ah, the law!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
are we really gonna get into an argument about whether the Nazi regime was "legal" cuz um
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 September 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
since the fucks at the supreme court gave these morons an inch with the hobby lobby decision
When did it become a sacred right never to be required by one's employer to do anything that conflicts with one's conscience? Because, if that's true, then -whoopee- the gravy train has pulled into the station and there's room on board for everyone!― Aimless, Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Aimless, Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 10 September 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:59 PM
No, because Chris Ciccone can explain it better.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 September 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link
lol good luck with this guys:
http://freakoutnation.com/2015/09/more-derp-oathkeepers-on-their-way-to-protect-kim-davis-from-further-arrests/
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 11 September 2015 02:02 (eight years ago) link