Home Game Poll vol. 1 (1984-1992): Nominate the best NES, Master System, etc console games ever (Nom deadline: September 8th)

Also I may be confusing this (with DOOM?) but I seem to remember them saying the first stage of Mario was built at the end of development, after they had figured out the tools, and thus were able to use more deliberate planning irt what the player would encounter and how they would likely respond.

Sure, I just think it gets taken to this level of "and here's yet another example of the unfailing inexhaustible genius of the designers" and it just becomes unreadable after a few paragraphs. Definitely talking more about the game design/challenge/information stuff here than the pixel art stuff. Obviously, there's more care at all levels in the classics than the far, far more numerous dudfests... s'what makes them the classics!

Zelda II is profoundly flawed but in the end, basically playable and satisfying in its way. If the first one had never existed it'd probably be pretty well remembered as an ambitious if incompletely-worked-out action RPG. I can think of only two totally baffling points that really scream "Nintendo Power, take me away!" which is basically zero compared to Castlevania II. Will be stunned if anyone ends up voting for that one...

Thanks for responding to that

I never understood the love for Zelda II. All I can remember is getting it and being like WTF, this isn't Zelda. But I was 9, so maybe I'd feel differently now.

Yeah it's pretty fun.

CVII is really fun too when you have a walkthrough. Killer music. The bosses are piss easy but I don't mind that after the nightmare bosses in the first game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfh0ytz8S0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rsycfDliZU

zelda 2 the first game i ever beat. dark link an all-time end boss. (his cameo in ocarina is kind of misplaced and random.) a genuinely difficult game, probably less forgiving than the first (definitely meaner: ganon's digitized chuckle on game over) and the last zelda game to be hard at all. its dangerous places (the forests, the pitch-black caves, the big mess of rocky maze in the southwest, the town where people are bats) are stressful and frightening in ways no death mountain has ever been, and a combination of nes-memory restrictions on text and a number of NPCs hugely increased from the first game meant even the non-hostile townspeople (health-restoring hookers aside) seemed standoffish and terse. the rare game i remember (vividly) as a hostile place, remote from help, instead of as a beloved playground. it's also weirdly colorless, simultaneously too simple and too fiddly to be a working platformer, and (alone in the series) reliant on dedicated, mindless grinding without any of the monster or spell variety that's supposed to entertain you when you're doing that in FF games. so it probably deserves its reputation in comparison to the likes of zelda 1 and link to the past, but in the post-twilight-princess era of nintendo's long enslavement to ocarina of time it definitely shouldn't be called the series' worst anymore.

I had a great idea for the upcoming Zelda game the other day. You start the game with a sword, shield, bow, boomerang and bombs
http://i44.tinypic.com/2z8ce9u.png

tbf the last Zelda game was in thrall to Link To The Past rather than Ocarina (and was all the better for it)

Myself and a few other guys are using Minecraft to build a working 3D remake of the original Zelda. Not sure how you guys feel about Minecraft, though.

i'm trying to think of the most recently released game that has as much content as SMB3, with no save system.

Kid Chameleon (Genesis, 1992) had over 100 stages and no saves. Stages had multiple exits that lead to many paths through the game.

those videos on graphics were really cool, thanks - somehow got this far in my life without knowing that stuff. wild about the 'color cells,' amazing how well the artists knew how to camouflage the boundaries. super cool.

high-fives to dlh. love this - "the rare game i remember (vividly) as a hostile place, remote from help, instead of as a beloved playground." totally. I AM ERROR. it's a bleak and ugly sort of hyrule you're saving here, not unlike the transylvania of castlevania ii but a lot more playable. i also think it should get credit for the dungeons, which are sometimes really irritating, and are nothing on the high-concept ones from link to the past, but again, legitimately hard, and considerably more varied than CV2's mansions which really all feel like the same place (and don't even have bosses!). and of course, the 'big rocky maze' - which IS death mountain! - thrown at you way too early in the game, super punishing. these mean motherfuckers, man:

http://www.nintendojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Zelda-Daira.png

I'm on vacation so I don't have the master list handy. But I can post it on Tuesday. If anyone thinks some hang is missing, nominate it I won't get mad if it's a dupe.

Am I missing anything?

Atari Commando
Atari Dark Chambers
Atari Desert Falcon
Atari Donkey Kong Jr.
Atari Food Fight
Atari Galaga
Atari Mario Bros.
Atari Tower Toppler
Atari Xevious
NES 10 Yard Fight
NES 1943: battle of the midway
NES A Boy and His Blob
NES Adventures of Lolo
NES Adventures of Lolo 3
NES Bad Dudes
NES banana prince
NES Base Wars
NES Baseball Simulator 1.000
NES Baseball Stars
NES Bases Loaded
NES Batman
NES Batman: Return of the Joker
NES Battle of Olympus
NES Battletoads
NES Bionic Commando
NES Blades of Steel
NES Blaster Master
NES Bomberman
NES Bubble Bobble
NES California Games
NES Castlevania
NES Castlevania II
NES Castlevania III
NES Cobra Triangle
NES Commando
NES Contra
NES Crisis Force
NES Crystalis
NES Deja Vu
NES demon sword
NES Destiny of an Emperor
NES Double Dragon
NES Double Dragon II
NES Double Dribble
NES Dr. Mario
NES Dragon Warrior
NES Dragon Warrior II
NES Dragon Warrior III
NES Dragon Warrior IV
NES Duck Hunt
NES Ducktales
NES Ducktales 2
NES Dusty Diamond's All-Star Softball
NES Earthbound Zero
NES Excitebike
NES fantastic dizzy
NES Faxanadu
NES Fester's Quest
NES Final Fantasy
NES Friday the 13th
NES gargoyle's quest ii
NES Gauntlet
NES Ghosts 'n' Goblins
NES Golf
NES Golgo 13
NES Goonies II
NES Gradius
NES Gradius 2
NES Gumshoe
NES Hogan's Alley
NES holy diver
NES ice climber
NES Ice Hockey
NES Ikari Warriors
NES Impossible Mission
NES Jackal
NES Karnov
NES Kick Master
NES Kid Icarus
NES Kirby's Adventure
NES Kung Fu
NES Legacy of the Wizard
NES Lemmings
NES Life Force
NES Little League Baseball: Championship Series
NES Little Nemo: The Dream Master
NES M.C. Kids
NES Mach Rider
NES Maniac Mansion
NES Marble Madness
NES Mega Man
NES Mega Man II
NES Mega Man III
NES Mega Man IV
NES Metal Gear
NES Metal Gear II
NES Metroid
NES Mike Tyson's Punch Out
NES Mission Impossible
NES NARC
NES Ninja Gaiden
NES Ninja Gaiden II
NES Ninja Gaiden III
NES Nobunaga's Ambition
NES Otocky
NES Over Horizon
NES Parodius Da
NES prince of persia
NES Pro Wrestling
NES Rad Racer
NES Rampage
NES RBI Baseball
NES RC Pro Am
NES RC Pro Am II
NES Recca
NES Rescue Rangers
NES Ring King
NES River City Ransom
NES Rockin' Kats
NES Romance of the Three Kingdoms
NES Rush n Attack
NES Rygar
NES Section Z
NES Shadowgate
NES Smash TV
NES Snake, Rattle & Roll
NES Solar Jetman
NES Spy Hunter
NES StarTropics
NES StarTropics 2
NES Strider
NES Super C
NES super dodge ball
NES Super Mario Bros
NES Super Mario Bros 2
NES Super Mario Bros 3
NES Super Spike V'Ball
NES sweet home
NES Swords and Serpents
NES Tecmo Baseball
NES Tecmo Bowl
NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I
NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II
NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
NES Tetris
NES The Adventures of Rad Gravity
NES The Immortal
NES The Legend of Zelda
NES The Legend of Zelda II
NES Tiger Heli
NES Town & Country Surf Designs: Wood & Water Rage
NES Track and Field
NES Ufouria: The Saga
NES Ultima Exodus
NES Uninvited
NES Urban Champion
NES Wall Street Kid
NES Willow
NES Winter Games
NES Wizards and Warriors
NES Yoshi
NES Yoshi's Cookie
NES Zanac
Sega Action Fighter
Sega Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Sega alex kidd in shinobi world
Sega Altered Beast
Sega Batman Returns
Sega columns
Sega enduro racer
Sega fantasy zone
Sega Ghostbusters
Sega Golden Axe Warrior
Sega golvellius: valley of doom
Sega James "Buster" Douglas Knockout Boxing
Sega Kung Fu Kid
Sega Mickey Mouse Castle Of Illusion
Sega miracle warriors
Sega operation wolf
Sega Phantasy Star
Sega psycho fox
Sega rampage
Sega rampart
Sega Revenge of Shinobi
Sega rocky
Sega r-type
Sega Shadow Dancer
Sega shadow of the beast
Sega Shinobi
Sega smash tv
Sega snail maze
Sega sonic chaos
Sega Space Harrier
Sega Speedball
Sega Speedball 2
Sega Spy vs. Spy
Sega Super Monaco GP
Sega teddy boy
Sega TransBot
Sega ultima iv
Sega Wonder Boy in Monster World
Sega Wonderboy III: The Dragon's Trap
Sega ys
Sega Zillion
Sega Zillion II: The Tri Formation

Nes Balloon Fight
Nes Donkey Kong Jr
Nes Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy
Nes Guerilla War
Nes Wizards and Warriors II: Ironsword

Those are going to be the final nominations unless someone else adds to it in the next ~3 hours, going to start the new thread around 7pm Eastern! (also sorry it took me so long!)