pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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If King Sunny Ade made it and not "Relax," then I'm good w/this list.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link

yeah, there are about 1000 songs i would have picked before egyptian lover. no offense to egyptian lover.

scott seward, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

i was half-disappointed that "shout" by tears for fears didn't make the list it would have been baller for those guys to get three spots

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

ten years ago "mad world" DEFINITELY woulda made it

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link

The Tears For Fears picks were on point IMO.

billstevejim, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link

When you're taking into account an entire decade's worth of music, it's pretty inexcusable for ANY ARTIST to make more than one appearance.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link

I like the Prince picks, though it seems I hear more 1999 than Purple Rain today.
MJ's 'Human Nature' is kind of a head-scratcher though.

campreverb, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

yeah if they'd done one spot per artist (with some honorable mentions) underneath that would have been cool.

did i miss one or did they say the best clash song of the '80s was "the magnificent seven"

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

"human nature" was aesthetically appropriate for the lush r&b synthscape thing

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

"Let's Dance" AND "Modern Love" getting in is the only time I've got a problem tbh

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

And Under Pressure just thrown in there near the middle.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

part of what i love about this list is seeing this millennial hipster sensibility form that's as far from spin as spin was from rolling stone

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

in 2015 the kids reclaimed george benson

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link

No it's like they've gone through the deep cuts and came out the other side and just decided to go with everyone's top 40 hit after all.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

i'd agree if the carly pick was "coming around again"

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link

Miles Davis's "Human Nature" > Michael Jackson's

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link

well, it'll take another few years before Pitchfork replaces "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" with "You Give Good Love."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link

"let the river run"

maura, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link

"pitchfork turned into a quiet storm station so gradually i didn't even notice"

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link

well, basically Eric Harvey's adult R&B essay from a few years ago finally affected got the Sades, Al B Sure!'s and Cherrelles in.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link

Plus every interview w a punk or indie rock band who goes on about their soft rock and pop tour songs.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

All these bands on the road listening to classic pop radio, getting interviewed by P4K, and repping for "Fast Car".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

imagine telling a spin writer in 1995 that in 2015 the biggest indecentric website would declare there weren't 20 songs better in the 80s than "i wanna dance (with somebody who loves me)"

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link

indiecentric, i mean

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

crazy omissions left right and centre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_Lwe6p-Cg

piscesx, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

list could use some debarge and george michael

I love george michael and i also love that he's the most THIS IS AN OUTRAGE exclusion from a pitchfork list

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link

I HATE YOUR SITE
BUT I DONT KNOW HOW
BUT I DONT KNOW WHEN
TO OPEN YOUR EYES

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

but idk i'm just complaining. it's a neat shift in taste i just wish it wasn't mostly relegated to 200-100

Because otm. He should have multiple songs if Guns N Roses get to.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

it's a neat shift in taste i just wish it wasn't mostly relegated to 200-100

100%, and while i love many a pixies and new order song i don't think they needed SO MANY songs up there, but i'm still appreciative that the purview of ryan schreiber has reached a point where the indignance is "WHERE IS TERENCE TRENT D'ARBY?"

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link

That's one of the pitfalls of a list-by-committee. ARTIST has about five songs that seem like sure things, so people vote for two or three of them to make sure at least one of them gets in and then you wind up with three songs by the same artist in a list of 200 songs. I could've lived with either one of the GNR songs not being represented if it had cleared up a spot for "Save It for Later" or "Human."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link

no FGTH? list if too unwieldy for me too scroll thru again.

piscesx, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link

None.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link

ha I thought "Sign Your Name" would get the Knocked Up contingent.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

At least they didn't put "Come On Eileen."

billstevejim, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

which is a song that I like but at one point (the '90s) seemed egregiously overrated.

billstevejim, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link

mid-80s mtv pop-rock and new wave like "come on eileen" def got the shaft unless it was college rock crossover - no "in a big country," no johnny cougar, no "summer of '69," no "boys of summer," no go-gos, no bangles, etc etc

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link

was there any duran duran? without an easily searchable listen its possible i missed "rio" or something

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

searchable list

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

anthony i think the shift you're talking about, while probably humorous to 2005 ilx, is indicative of how online media outlets now have to be as 'all things to all people' as possible

maura, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

the shift where you leave out mtv pop-rock?

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

no the one about people being upset about the omission of george michael/wham! and ttd — both in-the-main pop artists (who at the time were heralded for their artistic vision!). this list is trying to canonize all of the pop music of the '80s despite the glaring omissions/excessive leaning on certain artists detailed upthread, which indicates a particular myopia.

also the quiet storm rise is probably in part because of drake, right :\

maura, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link

It was nice to see Chills "Pink Frost" on there. For Talk Talk I would have gone with "I Believe In You" instead.

No other strong opinions, though I agree it would have been interesting to see how much more indie lo-fi/jangle pop oriented it would have been if written 10ish years ago

Evan, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link

i'm not denying that pitchfork has its omissions, myopic tendencies, etc, etc but if the goal was being "all things to all people" in an SEO stylee then they did a shitty job

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link

(small voice)

I didn't vote for any george michael because I don't like him

for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, 24 August 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

I would have picked "Parkside 5-2" over "P.S.K. What Does It Mean?"

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 24 August 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

I knew you were hating (on him)

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link

That's cool. If I were paring a list down to 200, I might not include any George Michael or Wham! either because I could probably find 200 things I like more. And I can't think of any GM or Wham! song that is THE song that has to be there, either.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link

if anything the types of blind-spots we're pointing out underscore that this isn't an "all-things-to-all-people" list of the "HEY REMEMBER THE 80s" variety, but rather the expression of a certain critical mindset. one that, just like the rock mags before it, is distinctive in both its interests and its weakenesses.

da croupier, Monday, 24 August 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link


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