Taking Sides: Gin Blossoms vs. Toad The Wet Sprocket

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For what it's worth, I also like "Walk on the Ocean" more than I like any Gin Blossoms song, even "Hey Jealousy" (which is a great, great song).

But the Toad edge is rapidly lost as soon as you move away from the best song vs. best song rubric.

What it comes down to is this: the GBs have three or four songs that are almost as good as "Hey Jealousy," whereas TTWS has perhaps two or three songs that are almost as good as "Walk on the Ocean."

And the Toad songs I don't like, like "All I Want," are more annoying to me than the GB songs I don't like, which are merely background noise.

Wow. I had no idea, until this morning, that I felt this strongly about either of these bands.

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

the Toad edge

Such a wrong phrase.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

y'all are forgetting Poi Dog Pondering

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

y'all are forgetting Poi Dog Pondering

Not an accident.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

virtually the entire world of music > Gin Blossoms > Goo Goo Dolls > Toad the Wet Sprocket > Soul Asylum

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Good Dr. Bill to thread.

woah, sorry this took me so long.

Anyway, yeah, it's no contest. Toad the Wet Sprocket were almost unquestionably the most poorly-named band in history (and the biggest potential slam dunk for critics ready to pan 'em), and that can't help influence my opinion on them. Still, they are clearly the inferior band--they had what, one great song? I mean yeah, I'd put "Walk on the Ocean" up against most of NME's album tracks, but aside from that this comparison is fucking ridiculous--in fact I'm a little surprised at you, Raj. The Blossoms never made a single nearly as flaccid as "All I Want" or "Fall Down". The better thread would be Gins vs. Goo Goos, Gins vs. Soul Asylum, hell, even Gins vs. Westerberg solo.

virtually the entire world of music > Gin Blossoms > Goo Goo Dolls > Toad the Wet Sprocket > Soul Asylum

This is just silliness.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

"the Gins"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Toad loses. It's no contest. "Fear" had some interesting songs aside from "Walk On The Water," in a Big Star/REM derivative fashion, but nothing I'd care to revisit.

Gin Blossoms wrote some great songs. That first ep prior to New Miserable Experience was Byrdsian and rather fetching.

And the Googs! I'm surprised there's so much hostility. Hold Me Up, Superstar Carwash and A Boy Named Goo all have kiler songs, in that 2nd rate Westerberg fashion. But by that point, there 2nd rate Westerberg was better than Westerberg himself.

After "Name" everything went to hell.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm irrationally prejudiced against the GB's, because I had to play 'Hey Jealousy' over and over in my band-of-sorts senior year of high school

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

"the Gins"

THIS DOESN'T MAKE MY POINT INVALID DAMMIT

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

Better than Ezra, please report to thread...

better than almost nobody, Friday, 27 May 2005 00:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Gin Blossoms by a mile.


I'll also stump for the earlier Goo Goo Dolls records. But Soul Asylum was once a pretty great rock band...ye olde tymers in Mpls tell me they were quite teh sight to behold live back in the day.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 00:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Having just skimmed the thread, I think I'll only be the second person to rank Toad far higher than the Gin Blossoms. I can't get the vision of that prancey Gin Blossoms singer in his turtleneck and Ray-Bans out of my head whenever I think about them.

Toad's songwriting strengths were always far more evident in their album tracks than in their singles, although "Come Down" from the Coil album is still one of my favorite singles of '90s alt-rock radio.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 27 May 2005 00:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Add me to the Gin Blossoms side. Back in the summer of '94, I remember observing that I was getting sick of their songs from radio overplay, but that "New Miserable Experience" would probably pretty enjoyable when revisited in about five years. That's exactly how it turned out -- NME has held up pretty well. "Lost Horizons" and "Alison Road" are probably my favorites. (To be fair, it's been a while since I've heard any of TTWS' material.)

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 27 May 2005 00:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

"If that floats your boat, then bon voyage, Captain Bland!"

---hahahahahahahaha!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did anybody else but me buy the Mutual Admiration Society record?

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

dude, "fear was so solid. it had great songs but equalled an evenly paced album as a whole, with "before you were born," "is it for me" and "all i want" (which, i think, was a gorgeous pop song). dulcinea had songs like "fly from heaven" and some nice art. coil sucked, but still had more depth than G.B. congrats... i'm sorry poo-box.

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katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that Mutual Admiration Society record is really, really good

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

although the new Glen Phillips album isn't anything to get excited about

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

damn it, I was hoping this was a dave q thread

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hahah, what a beautiful dream.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Toad wins for me -- they don't remind me of the Rembrandts as much as Gin Blossoms do.


TS: Toad the Wet Sprocket vs. Toadies

Ian Riese-Moraine's Plateau Rouge! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh, btw, I'll take Gin Blossoms if forced to choose. I still like "Found Out About You" just fine.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm irrationally prejudiced against the GB's, because I had to play 'Hey Jealousy' over and over in my band-of-sorts senior year of high school

you mean MARCHING BAND? 'cause that'd be AWESOME

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Saturday, 28 May 2005 14:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
I like random threads. Toad for me. I once wrote the lyrics to "Windmills" in a journal I was keeping for a summer class in college. I passed them off as my own and the teacher (who was pretty decent looking and probably 30 to my 19) loved it. We slept together the entire summer. She liked to fuck to Joy Division

Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to be contrary and argue for Toad the Wet Sprocket, in spite of the incredibly dorky name, just because I like "Walk on the Ocean," "Fall Down," and "I Will Not Take These Things For Granted" more than "Hey Jealousy" and "Allison Road." I recognize this has more to do with my personal prefrerences -- I dig the mope -- than with actual musical merit.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Goo Goo Dolls Worst of Bunch

Aaron A., Monday, 11 July 2005 12:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Bump for 90s night...

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 05:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

found out about you is a tune

GBs for sure

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 05:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gin Blossoms resurfaces memories in my head of the type of music you'd hear in the mid-90s for a "Party of Five" promo (or any generic Fox drama that appealed to teens). Waiting for the Simpsons' to come on and seeing promos for Fox shows accounts for a sadly significant part of what I remember about mid-90s music and television.

Cunga, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 08:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

yup Found Out About You is one of the prettiest Byrds rips ever.

insufferably annoying (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

Goo Goo Dolls > Soul Asylum > Gin Blossoms > Toad The Wet Sprocket

you've gotta be kidding me

billstevejim, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

My loud neighbor played Hey Jealousy tonight. It ruled.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 4 August 2014 05:52 (3 months ago) Permalink

gin blossoms are criminally overlooked. not kidding. maybe in a couple decades after everyone is able to jump over the mental hurdle of having lump them in with terrible shit like goo goo dolls and toad the wet sprocket, everyone will realize it. start with their first album, Dusted.

Poliopolice, Monday, 4 August 2014 12:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

Poliopolice OTM. Poor Doug Hopkins.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 4 August 2014 18:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

i think in a lot of respects they channeled the spirit of Big Star way better than Teenage Fanclub or any of the other ersatz 'power-pop' rip-off artists who worshiped Big Star. There's actually a palpable sense of defeat, melancholy, loneliness, and failure embedded in most of GB's songs, which, mixed with jangle, is basically the Big Star template.

Poliopolice, Monday, 4 August 2014 21:26 (3 months ago) Permalink

^^ good call imo

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 4 August 2014 23:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

terrible shit like goo goo dolls and toad the wet sprocket

I prefer either one of these bands to Gin Blossoms. THE WEAKEST SHIT IN THE NINETIES.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

Throw Matchbox 20 in that equation as well. STILL more listenable than Gin Blossoms.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:29 (3 months ago) Permalink

so RONG (and I even like that one mb20 song)

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 4 August 2014 23:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

Better Than Ezra is probably less enjoyable than Gin Blossoms, but then again...I like the way the singer makes a totally unnatural noise ("wanh hanh") in "Good".

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 August 2014 23:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

Alison Road is a nice tune

sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 August 2014 23:36 (3 months ago) Permalink

that's all I'm sayin'

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 00:29 (3 months ago) Permalink

There's a lot of venom to go along with the "defeat, melancholy, loneliness, and failure" in Big Star's songs. Humor, too. Neither exist in GB's music.

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

the toad the wet sprocket song reminds me of ELP's "lucky man"

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:10 (3 months ago) Permalink

you don't hear venom in "Found Out About You"?

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

no humor in gbv???????? ok....

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

jesus christ, the humor is at least half the point of the early 90s gbv stuff that is so well loved!

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

oh god. GB. nevermind, SB away

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:33 (3 months ago) Permalink

gb > gbv

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 01:43 (3 months ago) Permalink


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