― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link
i missed this bit
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link
we do need a 'justify my ethug' 7" stat
OMNIPOTENT BABY AHOY.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:36 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:38 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:40 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:41 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:42 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 02:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 02:14 (twenty years ago) link
― ron (ron), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link
― ron (ron), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Mikomcho, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:13 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:16 (twenty years ago) link
"he who does not feel me is not real to me and therefore he does not exist/so poof vamoose you son of a bitch"
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:21 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link
Yo! What would you do if I could prove you didn't exist and it was trueLike ??? solidified proof of your essence Of you in the spoof of your birthNow I guess that would lesson your worth to the dirt and the earthAnd the leaf, now I leave you alone without belief that your really hereAnd assist you beneath your fearAn endearing tear would fall if all that I said was true,Am I right or ???, too complex for quoteI'll have the final say,Like the rope to the boat to the dock, you're not free yet, manYou're sick, stuck, caught, sick in the head,Stuck to the bed, you're dumbfedDiseased with that mononuclear, what I look like money?!That latin listening to Coolio? So I ask,What was your mom's task when she had you?If fully she knew that through all of her painHer baby was born without brain and insane and just plain,no style! No smile, your memories are worth a shitpile to meYou believe that you're free?!! Man, free from your mom,Free from the man and most of all free from me but you see,I've caught you! My bad you don't really exist,So I got to, explain this so when I tell you how not to,You won't do it, I'm screwin your thinkin!I know I exist and I prove it cause I'm listening to youBut I ask, what if God was an evil genius who only made you believe you were true?And your life was nothing man! Just a really long dreamAnd when you die you'll start a whole new life, a whole new dreamBut that was just a dream, and it seems man you can't break out the cycleAm I crazy? Go to your church and ask your white God if I'm right though,Whatever he replies will be lies, we've already established this evil,When I'm lying, you don't exist but merely as emotion and perceival,Believe you'll be round tomorrow kid, yo,You've borrowed time with no entrance,And since you're a dream I can mentally put on the pinchAnd you disappear in an instant,
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 03:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:15 (twenty years ago) link
yeah, I totally got "owned" in thread, especially by cinnablount, who didn't actually pay attention to what I was arguing.
Man, this thread was one lame fuck with ddrake thread nearly from the beginning.
What a fucking joke.
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:17 (twenty years ago) link
I clearly didn't mean it as an insult. You know that, so you really can shut up about it.
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:19 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link
Clearly, this thread hasn't been a bunch of mutherfuckers jumping down my neck from the beginning.
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:25 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Mofo, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:27 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:27 (twenty years ago) link
well it hasn't! it might have gotten intense, but I think most everybody was trying to discuss things with you! yes even Blount! elliptical discussion doesn't mean it's not discussion, heated discussion doesn't mean it's not discussion, even way-overheated discussion still counts!
not "paranoid": just "defensive," maybe justifiably so, but the puzzling thing about getting defensive is that it usually fails to provide much protection/shelter/however one wants to describe what being defensive does.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:31 (twenty years ago) link
(please don't take that as 'jumping on you' or something. i'm trying to help ya out)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:33 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:36 (twenty years ago) link
"I can't think of any other occasional on ilx where someone has had their ass as out and out schooled as ddrake on this thread. and I still think any further 'engagement' with him from any ilxors is tantamount to running up the score."
Yeah, what a "game" it was. I don't really see how my opinion was "owned" at all. Certainly there were minor flaws in my argument, but no more than in anyone else's. And I admitted it when their were and refined my argument par the course. But there was some SERIOUS ganging-up-on-ddrake going on. Not just the cyberstalking, but what amounted to harrassment of ME rather than a discussion of my ideas. Or even a HEATED discussion of my ideas.See the difference, Ned? (if you're out there?)I attacked your LISTYou attacked ME.
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:37 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link
1) Original poster James picks misleading/provocative thread title and couches what would otherwise be a harmless inquiry about experimental rap in the dangerous area of "rap on the whole is stagnant and I want the newness".2) The usual suspects mock this. Most of us are all "ok, fine, pfhsgh" because we're familiar with these posters. ddrake initially chimes in with "instruments in rap /= progressive" and gets little if any real hostility.3) ddrake then mistakes "progressive/experimental" for "white", flings out a "you know that's what you really mean" equivalent ("admit it") and suddenly the tone of Typical ILM Prog-Rap Mockery gets a bit weird4) Ned sez "because instruments are white! oh wait" and ddrake fires back "U R NOT OF TEH FUNNIE"5) ddrake: "Seriously though, unless you actually know the hip hop history, which it sounds like you don't, I'd wait to listen to "prog" hip hop. " [emphasis mine]6) A couple more joke posts, a couple geniune attempts to steer the thread into actual topical coherence ("Dalek?"), J0hn being all "Ned OTM"7) dd: "Oh give me a break! Dilute, my friends, dilute!" Then he goes onto some snotty "prog is unfun" jibe.8) Jokes jokes jokes. The nate that is not me says "The twisted part is that some people actually like challenging their brains."9) dd: "Rush! Yes! Prog stupid! Also read it, motherfuckers!"10) not me nate: "But Braxton/Cornel/Toni Morrison..."11) Ned to o. nate: "ddrake will get mad at you now and claim you don't understand hip-hop. You are so burned. *cue ddrake: 'Ha ha, where is your sense of humor, dork, etc.'*"12) "you're out of your league, donnie."13) dd shortly later: "Blues People is a more incredible work than anything anyone on ILM has accomplished...a more important work as well. That I can't believe more of you haven't read." [here is where my arrogance alarm goes off.]14) Ned sums up the crux of the issue: "Remind me again how you've assumed you know what everyone here has read/listened to/thought again? I missed the proof of your omniscience here."15) Some stupid bullshit ensues16) Wooster is namedropped17) Accusations of privacy intrusions fly18) The thread officially becomes ridiculous19) Everyone tries to explain to ddrake why they're mad at him20) ddrake gets mad defensive21) I forgot to mention, blount has a field day22) OWNED23) A failed attempt to return to original discussion in the thread24) ddrake: "So "whitening" in the case in which I am using it refers to the values inherent in the musicians' musical ideas. White CULTURE rather than white PEOPLE."25) Oh no26) nickalicious and scott seward simmer things down somewhat27) Perry sums everything up neatly28) Numerous thread-locking requests go out29) Oh yeah, there's some stuff about Amiri Baraka in here too (c/o J0hn Darn1elle)30) Someone named "Big Boi" stomps in, says "prog rap is shit!" only in much wordier terms, resorts to name-dropping the Strokes, then eventually disappears31) "Ned and his ethugs" are mentioned32) People start backtracking in an attempt to recap this thread33) This goes on for a while34) There is a delightful Popeye intermission35) An ugly goulash of meta-spastic he-said-he-said "no no no I'M RIGHT I WIN" nonsense and arrogant written-in-stone declarations of what various genres TRULY AND REALLY ARE AND AREN'T, DAMN IT36) This actually goes on for a while37) http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/cam.gif38) more pictures, which ddrake calls "unclever"39) see #3540) I post this41) I feel dirty
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:50 (twenty years ago) link
Congratulations.I especially like how you mock my posts...i.e. U R NOT OF TEH FUNNIE
and just quote their posts as if they came from the most sensible, polite place in the universe.
Thank you, you've really summed up this thread "accurately."Someone lock this bullshit.
― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link