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ha -- no, just surprised.

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The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:13 (eight years ago) link

idk I have pretty corny taste in rap and if you plotted a through line of my favourite rap albums of the last ten years or so it would lead straight to this.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:07 (eight years ago) link

really loving this, love all the call and response female vox in this

also FUCK YOU VINCE for this little deep thought in "Surf"

More black kids killed from a pill than the FEDs in the projects
In the planned parenthood playin' God with ya mom's check, you ain't even been to prom yet
Sixteen, heard you wanna be a star girl
What he charge for the dream that you bought girl

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kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link

The angle of "Can you believe this 22-year-old doesn't know about NWA or Public Enemy!?!?" in this article was pretty annoying:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/stapless-center-getting-to-the-heart-of-things-with-the-summertime-06-rapper/

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

the 50 Cent was third grade thing was more o_O the terror of time & all its sickening crime for me, yikes

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link

i want to believe that vince is more talking about the literal fact that underage pregnancies happen rather than passing judgment on how they're dealt with but at the same time the heavy christian influence among a lot of rappers does lead to some version of prolife opinions in several instances (theres an infamous ghostface lyric to this effect on pretty toney, iirc, for example)

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slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

damn this is kind of astonishing on contact

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link

idk, kinda finding the whole mise en scene a bit prissy and ultimately detrimental for a rap alb tbh (tim trying to head this off at the pass i assume)

i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but

r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

not remotely in the mood for this atmos right now in fairness tho, maybe when my heart is full of murder like idk ilx eoy time it'll click a treat

r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

idk i've found myself steadily entranced by this record, always starting it like "i mean this is good but idk if i'm into this into this" and by the halfway point i'm like "oh hell yeah"

1-2 of "jump off the roof" and "señorita" helps

"Senorita" is like the worst song on the album imo, the random 2 Future bars looped as a hook sound awkward as hell

some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

is this coming out on vinyl or am i gonnna have to find a Best Buy and buy the CD

alpine static, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link

yeah "Senorita" is my least favorite thing.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link

idk it's fun y'all

i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but

― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

hahaha

J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

i want to believe that vince is more talking about the literal fact that underage pregnancies happen rather than passing judgment on how they're dealt with but at the same time the heavy christian influence among a lot of rappers does lead to some version of prolife opinions in several instances (theres an infamous ghostface lyric to this effect on pretty toney, iirc, for example)

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― slothroprhymes, Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:13 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that pro-life stance isn't uncommon in hip hop but it bothers the shit out of me

i think your interpretation is um...well let me just caution don't throw your back out doing those gymnastics

overall though this album is great! there's probably at least 1 completely deplorable line on every rap album i've ever loved, or a lot more, i don't mean to characterize vince as particularly bad, i dig his general vibe

that said I'm not sure if I like it more than Warm Brew & I would encourage anyone outside the goon thread to bump that album at least once

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

Vince is a pissy guy who says incendiary things, so that makes his pro-life lines a little easier to reconcile, since they fit his M.O. of lashing out at everybody. Not excusing them, of course, but it's less jarring to me than when somebody like Common drops judgey lines like that into their songs as if they're intended as gospel

Evan R, Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

i mean i dunno that's basically just deciding a reason to give him a pass and not commmon

but wrt to common it's not necessarily jarring to me or unexpected because i feel like anti-feminism and pro-life stuff has always been a part of conscious rap because of 5 percenter stuff which is one of the cores of conscious rap wrt like Lord "trill o'reilly" Jamar

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link

Haven't heard this yet, so no judgement (and never expect worthwhile social commentary from anybody in any medium, the more pleasantly to be surprised), but not into anti-contraception as "pro-life," nor "conscious" incl. anti-feminism, tho as former music retailer know how bullshit most tags are as anything more than convenience.

dow, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link

Vince is a pissy guy who says incendiary things, so that makes his pro-life lines a little easier to reconcile, since they fit his M.O. of lashing out at everybody. Not excusing them, of course, but it's less jarring to me than when somebody like Common drops judgey lines like that into their songs as if they're intended as gospel

― Evan R, Thursday, July 2, 2015 3:41 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah god forbid a substantial, provocative and wide ranging album contain a line or two that doesn't perfectly align with our worldviews, let's definitely lose our shit about it

some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link

I said I like the album, it's a great album how is that losing my shit

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link

Unless that was meant as a board description

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link

Also Dow he's talking about the morning after pill not birth control, but actually being anti contraception is worse actually

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link

i think your interpretation is um...well let me just caution don't throw your back out doing those gymnastics

as far as mental gymnastics go idk my back didn't hurt that much, I speculated he could literally just be saying "this shit happens" and not meaning "this shit happens and /is horrible across the board/," because this is an album with nuance in spades! if he does literally mean he opposes what he's talking about, I obviously feel the opposite and it bothers me. the possibility certainly bothers me

slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link

but would also surprise me, is all, bc vince doesn't seem in all his interviews and in the perspective he puts across through his music, to be a conservative dude who wants to slutshame or rope women into motherhood

slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link

I think that verse needs to be seen in the context of the entire song, which I take as being about the reality behind the fantasy (first verse dealing with the glamour of being in gangs). "Sixteen, heard you wanna be a star girl / What he charge for the dream that you bought, girl?" and then later "I ain't really trying to judge / you be looking for somebody you can love / He was looking for somebody he could fuck / Took your body, wouldn't bother with you none."

i.e. taking the morning after pill at planned parenthood alone is the reality of the addressee's fantasies of fame/fortune/love.

You could say it's still slut-shaming (in a "don't let yourself get used" sense) but it doesn't strike me as pro-life really.

Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link

idk, kinda finding the whole mise en scene a bit prissy and ultimately detrimental for a rap alb tbh (tim trying to head this off at the pass i assume)

i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but

― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more like trying to greet it at the door like an old friend (and lol @ john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf)

Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link

After a couple listens this is probably my AOTY so far.

Putting aside the religious overtones, a lot of black people are very suspicious of planned parenthood which is entirely understandable given American history, and the wealth of misinformation available on the net.

While the suppression of the black population via family planning holds no water as a coordinated conspiracy, it manifests as a social reality when a hugely disproportionate number of aborted foetuses have always been black even when controlling for income. You don't have to be pro-life to believe that this is a problem.

Always thought the great thing about Common's Retrospective for Life was that it was reconcilable with a pro-choice stance.

Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Friday, 3 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

I haven't given this a long concentrated listen yet which it kind of demands

i suspect ill end up liking it but i do find his voice non-dynamic in short bursts, and i wish his rapping showed more of the personality that he shows in interviews.

I suspect that I'm liable to treat this more like a 3/4 star album & come around more fully as he evolves as an artist. i don't want to sound down on it, it's "obviously" good, but i think in part i'm also just allergic to consensus

supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link

lol maybe just listen to it until you can say something that isn't speculating on the arc of your own future opinions then

that said, i do agree that he's a hilariously funny guy who rarely puts that into his lyrics and it maybe wouldn't hurt if he tried it here and there. there's wit on the album but it's a very dry wit, he makes you work for it, for better or worse.

some dude, Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link

Al, give David a break. I've listened to this album twice and I know exactly what he means (and feel the same). It's an album to live with.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 July 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link

lmao

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lag∞n, Monday, 6 July 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link

getting an early Shabazz Palaces vibe from some of the beats on this

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah that 50 cent line freaked me out!!!

this is still holding up well

Cali has been killing it the past couple years IMO when you think about it

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link

boy this album gets better w/each play

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link

Listened to this all the way through on my commute. Would have listened again if I hadn't arrived at stupid work.

cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 08:29 (eight years ago) link

Feel like there's less digging to do with this album than To Pimp a Butterfly. All of its appeal is right in your face. Not that Kendrick's album isn't easy to get into, but it feels more like you're supposed to meditate on what it all means while you're listening to it. Whatever it is I'm trying to say, they're two of the best things I've heard this year.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 July 2015 08:42 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I get that totally. The Kendrick album is great but I feel like I'm still 'reading' it after having heard it months ago. It's like the Moby Dick of rap albums or something: very enjoyable, but lots to analyse and unravel, which can get exhausting at times. Sometimes I wonder if I respect it intellectually more than I actually enjoy listening to it on a visceral level. I find myself dipping in and out but rarely have the patience to listen all the way through in one sitting.

But this album's so easy to get through, even as a double album it really flies by. It's so much fun and yeah the beats (and BASS) just don't allow for dull or overcomplicated moments.

cod latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 July 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kgz1WGiXDc

great rapper but i now worry his music is keeping us from what could be one of the best comedians of our time

soyrev, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link

(srsly the roll he hits at around 1:10 is unreal)

soyrev, Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:19 (eight years ago) link

lol

A swarm of antipathy (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:48 (eight years ago) link

"tom cruise is underrated"
"why"
"cause the mission is impossible. and he pulled it off. three times."

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 July 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link

so thankful Vince Staples doesn't try to be funny-funny on his albums

Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

Just got the album today so have nothing useful to say about it (it's good, duh), but the Rolling Stone interview is pretty sharp. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/vince-staples-q-a-the-most-exciting-man-in-rap-drops-knowledge-20150708?page=3

Been listening to this all weekend. It's seriously good.

Been trying to figure out if Jump Off the Roof samples 'I Will' from Hail To The Thief or if they just sound a bit similar.

cod latin (dog latin), Sunday, 12 July 2015 10:44 (eight years ago) link

well this is where the main sample is from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yA02FY7KU

Number None, Sunday, 12 July 2015 11:03 (eight years ago) link

ah right cool.

cod latin (dog latin), Monday, 13 July 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link

god, the production on this album is just what i want to hear. i could listen to 'Lemme Know' all day.

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link


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