pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

that article is poorly written

I think Hopper has been too busy with book tour and interviews to do any actual editing of Pitch submissions. Either that or she's a really bad editor.

I'm actually curious why the editing at The Pitch is so lax, particularly since I admire Hopper's writing so much. I'm not the first one to mention it, but even the pieces that have good ideas in them give off an incredibly strong "young writer's first draft" vibe.

What's the point of a round table when the consensus is suffocating?

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/827-a-rihanna-bitch-better-have-my-money-video-roundtable/

it doesn't really seem like a round table discussion though, more like a singles jukebox style "everyone does a blurb" and you get whatever consensus or disagreement rolls in

they're all otm anyway

fuck everything having to be turned around within 24 hours though, sometimes i feel like that's the worst aspect of music writing 2k15. even the best pieces i've read this year (about new albums, songs, videos etc), i know they'd have been so much better even a week later

The Avalanches' Darren Seltmann Has Left the Group
They're now a two piece
By Jeremy Gordon on June 29, 2015 at 1:41 p.m. EDT

Back in February 2014, Seltmann's wife, singer-songwriter Sally Seltmann, told Melbourne's Herald Sun that he'd left the Avalanches. The news was confirmed by the band's label, Modular, who said: "Yep, Darren hasn't been in the band for a while

nb: said confirmation is also from February 2014

What's the point of a round table when the consensus is suffocating?

The point is to establish the suffocating consensus.

^ a+

no idea what internet you are on where the consensus about this video is "suffocating"

he didn't say the internet, he said a specific roundtable piece and provided a link.

the piece may be a corrective to various thinkpieces that went unnamed in the roundtable, and "suffocating" is a bit much, but it is fairly monotone in terms of opinion for a "roundtable" of 8 writers

7, rather

in general there seems to be a problem now where writers proudly, and with swagger, refute anti-[whatever] "thinkpieces" that don't actually exist, or exist so far on the margins of discussion that orienting discussion around them is very limiting, and, imo, draining

takes on takes on takes

creating strawpeople is not a new thing. but it's not even that I don't think the thinkpieces exist (they might!), i just want names! though i guess i also get annoyed when people accuse the "internet" of something and then cite five rando-rubes on twitter.

type "Rihanna" into google news, you don't even need to specify the video; this shit is not difficult to find nor to predict

typed "rihanna" into google news, Who cares if Rihanna's BBHMM video is feminist or not? She's the one with the power was the top headline, had to click "explore in depth" to find more obviously opinionated headlines on the video. they were:

Rihanna's success is inspiring - but her new video is violently misogynist (New Statesman)

Rihanna's '#BBHMM' Video Is Brilliant, Terrifying, Complicated (HuffPo)

Rihanna's “Bitch Better Have My Money” Video Is Very Literal, Very Cinematic (Slate)

Stop Saying Rihanna's "Bitch Better Have My Money" Video Is Anti-Feminist (Papermag)

RIHANNA IS THE BAD BITCH WE NEED AND HER TARANTINO-STYLE REVENGE PORN FOR "BBHMM" PROVES IT (Noisey)

so yeah, i see a clearly critical one. but it's weird to ask people to look up the thinkpieces you're saying suck. if you're going to reference them, link to one! if they're easy to find, the person being paid to write about them can put in the effort.

I mean I could have clicked them but then I would be part of the problem

All you need to really do is check to see if the National Feminist Review Board has rubber-stamped their seal of approval.

Safy's blurb in that piece was good

xp katherine, I'm talking about the format not the video. When you have a video that's divisive elsewhere then why convene seven writers who all have the same opinion? Why not just have one review if there's not going to be any debate? And like da croupier says, at least link to the hostile reviews to give some context.

what's with the blackface-style language some of the writers are using to talk about this?

that's just how they roll.

that video is stupid. in my internet opinion. that song got pretty old for me too once i heard it like 3 times though.

what's with the blackface-style language some of the writers are using to talk about this?

― sarahell, Sunday, July 5, 2015 12:20 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is there a godwin's law for this

Meaghan Garvey: There’s a very simple A$AP Yams tweet that’s stuck with me for years.

the tweet is 'Never vocalise the vision.' it's from august 2013

isnt there like one white writer in the entire group

not to cape for played out slang useage in music journalism or anything but uhh

feel like the thing i quoted is p dumb regardless of ethnicity

idk i don't really have a handle on what pitchfork is 'like' anymore

neither does pitchfork

that pitchfork roundtable on rihanna makes me feel really uncomfortable somehow. like it doubles down on the pure celebration of violence and thinks that because of who is doing this that it has some extended political significance. reminds me of the unmitigated celebrations of gangsta rap in the early 90s. as a reaction to the scolds it makes sense, but it feel like it doesn't really think through what's going on. like the politics of endorsing the video seem a lot more shallow and less realized than the video itself.

there was also a roundtable for the song itself that had some of the same participants and same overall super positive tone, although there was at least one dissenter:
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/715-bitch-better-have-my-roundtable-rihannas-bbhmm/

oh right. "Newports, not just blunts" -- how could i forget

it doesn't think through as much as it could because all of the participants had less than 24 hours to churn their opinions out

I was gonna say the elephant in the room was that the roundtables that made it to this thread (they've done others) were the ones that dealt with race, but given that someone's dropped blackface into the discussion I don't think that is really applicable anymore

No I'm not having that. It might be about race but it caught my eye because everybody agrees as loudly as possible. Maybe that's the norm for P4k round tables, idk, but if it is then they should rethink the whole format.

Can mods just change the name of this thread to "I@n C0hen is dumb?"

There's more care and nuance put into the drum filtering on "Let It Happen" than most bands manage in an entire career of recording

Right, because you know

Parker is...somehow the best and most underrated rock bassist of the 21st century, and it’s not even close on either front

srsly?

I feel like for some people audible bass playing = good bass playing.

otm

what is "drum filtering"

It's when you use the snare strainer to make coffee.

http://i.imgur.com/0HZMqzm.gif

I feel like for some people audible bass playing = good bass playing.

― 29 facepalms, Monday, July 13, 2015 1:56 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^

crut I lol'd really hard, ty

Currents could be called a "transitional album," but what Parker seems to realize is that all albums should be so named, because life is transitional.

jesus christ

Noted Marxist-Leninist mouthpiece the FT on implications for the Eurozone: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e38a452e-26f2-11e5-bd83-71cb60e8f08c.html#axzz3fm5E3Q9P

lol rong thread sorry guys

not really

Forknancial Times

what is "drum filtering"

he's just talking about the dj-esque part of the single where there's a low pass filter on the drums.

ian cohen also responsible for this infamously terrible review:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17136-mumps-etc/