thread of miguel

if you mean the best album made by Miguel since 2013, then sure

lol when i'm listening to it it feels like the best thing in the world, so much depth and color

i tentatively think it's better than kaleidoscope dream

Only on my first play and some of it sounds a bit laboured in the way that Kaleidoscope Dream never did, but Hollywood Dreams and NWA really stood out.

Haha okay I just got to the second half of Leaves and I *really* wasn't expecting it to turn into 1979 by the Smashing Pumpkins.

ugh http://www.npr.org/event/music/416451780/first-listen-live-watch-miguel-perform-wildheart-in-concert-on-june-30

Flesh really reminds me of parts of the last Beyonce album, it's a so-so piece of songwriting but consistently engaging because of the *performance*, particularly Miguel's willingness to explore as many facets of his voice as possible (fragile falsetto, lascivious growl, full-throated Marvin swoop, stadium rock holler, overlapping clouds of mini-Migs). It's astonishing.

this is v good

lol finally hearing "1979" in "leaves"

Although I liked the P-Fork review, this constant pairing of Miguel and Frank Ocean is so tiresome.

otm

Maybe I'm just being really uncharitable in my reading of that review, but to me it came off as "Miguel's high-concept experimenting is here to save us from all that loathsome R&B" in some places.

A good review though otherwise. I particularly enjoyed the explanation of what makes Miguel's sexual come-ons seem so much less gross/more tolerable than his counterparts.

It's true that Migs mitigates his aggression with a gosh-darn cuteness, but I don't get how this review and Caramanica's the other day assert that the "divide" in Miguel's "soul" is any different from Usher, MJ, Marvin Gaye, or whatever.

market positioning

the show last night was incredible, btw.

reading reviews of this record has reminded me of why i dislike references to other artists and albums in music criticism; a lot of times they show off the limitations of the writers' knowledge base when the opposite is probably intended.

i'm gonna need more time with this; first listen or two is not demolishing me. same was true for much of kaleidoscope tho', so maybe it's just exposure. coffee is a likely top ten single tho'.

^^

Finally, someone else who isn't immediately blown away by this. Only difference is that I seem to remember liking all of Kaleidoscope Dream pretty much instantly.

bonus tracks are pretty dece! like, easily worthy of inclusion & not all all throwaway like i was half-expecting

cannot stop listening to coffee though

I wasn't blown away by it at first either. Few albums do.

I stopped listening to "Coffee" because if I hadn't it's all I'd be listening to.

it doesn't really work for me until "The Valley"; after that it's terrific

tbf, i'm spinning between this and several other albums simultaneously; shouldn't opine until i have some focused listening time most likely

some of this is very good, though the rock touches on the opener turn me off a lot and almost made me stop listening tbh

i've only heard the first third so far, so reserving judgment

not much new to add: I don't love this yet ("Coffee" aside) but I may well get there eventually.

When he sings/says "Santa Monica Boulevard" at the end of "Hollywood Dreams" I always think of Sheryl Crow.

Yeah I think the first three tracks taken together are fairly deal isn't bad but the arrangement feels flimsy, whereas the others feel simultaneously sluggish and weedy.

Really takes off from Coffee onwards, mind.

this tweet may be the key to unlocking for fence sitters https://twitter.com/ietyler/status/616298059350151168

Tyler Adams ‏@ietyler 7h7 hours ago

I shouldn't be reading music reviews anyway but people frame "All I Want Is You" as a "lukewarm" or inconsistent album and that's incorrect.

^^ otm

IAWIY is probably still the best R&B album of the decade imho unless i'm forgetting something obvious. DDM you could call R&B i guess.

yeah it's a masterpiece

hard to imagine growing to love any of the first three tracks... here's hoping

i purposely avoided gorging myself on "coffee" when it came out so i could preserve my appreciation for the album context. what a song. "old souls have found a new religion"

haha waves is awesome

yeah i kind of don't get this revisionist history about all i want is you being a commercial sop of some sort. is it because of j. cole?

tbh i think that narrative is 1/2 people who slept on "Sure Thing" etc and 1/2 Miguel himself downplaying the debut when promoting Kaleidoscope Dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKvhkcJDbzY

I like the new album and the last one a lot but the fact remains that several years ago miguel sang a lto of off-key hooks on terrible songs

"Lotus Flower Bomb" is the only bad one and even that is mainly bad because of Wale

quickie is bad too, even sure thing isn't great

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/39/f6/6f/39f66f7fc4f3f83f716b782e350f160d.jpg

hard to imagine growing to love any of the first three tracks... here's hoping

pffffft

also "sure thing" is incredible obv

you can bet that

yeah i kind of don't get this revisionist history about all i want is you being a commercial sop of some sort. is it because of j. cole?

the first time i remember really noticing miguel was bc of the chord progression in "girls like you" which is really weird and awesome imo... and i feel like the next two records build off of that weirdness and awesomeness

anyway i'm also here to say "a beautiful exit" is gorgeous

i think the opening tracks set a real mood, "beautiful exit" being this kind of blurry nebula, "deal" being a kind of funky "let's work"-y exercise that also shapeshifts a lot, and "the valley" being the filthiest thing on earth, you kind of go through the extremes of the record before you hit the rest of the record

I like "The Valley" but rhyming "valley"with "valley" doesn't help (pronunciation of the first "valley" in that couplet is a hook though)

"The Valley" has a bit of a Trent Reznor vibe for me.

Yah

I like "The Valley" but rhyming "valley"with "valley" doesn't help

Everybody rapping like it's a commercial / Acting like life is a big commercial

opening three are brilliant imo, they really set the tone for the album's sordid glamour. i think of "deal" and "the valley" like roleplay, the push-pull between sex and politics and money and entertainment and the way these seedy archetypes are romanticised. and the closing stretch acts like its obverse, out of the roleplay into something completely bare and pure

"leaves" is the best song he has ever done y/y

(i've never heard a smashing pumpkins song so don't @ me)