I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

If you've got time for a little copywriting we could make it happen...

Robert E. Lee is the best advertisement the confederacy ever had. He gets off easy because his only job was to win battles and he did that extremely well, and he perfectly matched the contemporary ideal of what a gentleman ought to be. He was the confederacy's dreamboat.

If you want to see what the confederacy was really about you need to look at the figure of Jefferson Davis, not Lee. He personified the cause far better, in that he was the one who most prominently and vigorously defended its ideas, not its territory. And its ideas were execrable.

He gets off easy because his only job was to win battles and he did that extremely well

well, until he didn't.

actually, Alexander Stephens is even more representative. Wilson's Patriotic Gore has an unforgettable chapter devoted to him, in which Wilson, enemy of the Cold War and income tax, read Stephens' prison writings and saw in them a noble, futile resistance to the central government.

give lee his due as a general. the south's military ability was amply demonstrated. it was their economic and political culture that was rotten, rotten, rotten. it is a shame so much of that culture survived the debacle.

The South wasn't all rotten, the further away, by several measures, that you look from Cotten, and the feudalist fuckheads who called it King. For instance, far from the Black Belt, when Alabama left the Union, Winston County left Alabama, at least in terms of proclaiming itself the Free State of Winston. Until the Rebel Rebel Govt. of same, having taken refuge way back in the hills, had their subterranean HQ's location betrayed by one of the very few local slaveowners. There was a Unionist (and sometimes anarchist) resistance, especially in Appalachia, but all through the hijacked CSA, to varying degrees. Confederate conscription efforts could get pretty bloody.

Limits of (free white) manpower and domestic manufacture of materiel(because dominance/fixation on plantations etc) were built-in fails, despite whoever was a military genius etc

i'm sure that Rommel (Nazi Germany's equivalent of Robert E Lee) had a similarly cozy twee home life.

i can only assume that there is no editorial oversight at the NYT for Brooks.

the myth of a united south is possibly the single most destructive myth about the civil war; a considerable number of southerners (possibly a majority in every state except south carolina) opposed secession and hundreds of thousands of southerners went north to fight for the union.

hundreds of thousands of southerners went north to fight for the union.

According to Wikipedia, 2,213,363 men served in the Union Army during the Civil War, so this 'number' seems well within possibility.

Dear Ta-Nehisi Coates,

The last year has been an education for white people. There has been a depth, power and richness to the African-American conversation about Ferguson, Baltimore, Charleston and the other killings that has been humbling and instructive.

Your new book, “Between the World and Me,” is a great and searing contribution to this public education. It is a mind-altering account of the black male experience. Every conscientious American should read it.

There is a pervasive physicality to your memoir — the elemental vulnerability of living in a black body in America. Outside African-American nightclubs, you write, “black people controlled nothing, least of all the fate of their bodies, which could be commandeered by the police; which could be erased by the guns, which were so profligate; which could be raped, beaten, jailed.”

Written as a letter to your son, you talk about the effects of pervasive fear. “When I was your age the only people I knew were black and all of them were powerfully, adamantly, dangerously afraid.”

But the disturbing challenge of your book is your rejection of the American dream. My ancestors chose to come here. For them, America was the antidote to the crushing restrictiveness of European life, to the pogroms. For them, the American dream was an uplifting spiritual creed that offered dignity, the chance to rise.

ok is that real

"excessive realism"

That's a lot of words that could have been boiled down to "nanny nanny boo boo"

Dear Black Person, now that I have gotten the niceties out of the way, allow me to lecture you in the traditional fashion.

i like the feint in this, "hey i wonder if maybe white people should just listen quietly for a second HA HA NO WAIT OF COURSE NOT"

"I TOTALLY HAD YOU, YOU THOUGHT I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT LISTENING QUIETLY, THAT WAS HILARIOUS"

http://jezebel.com/listening-to-ta-nehisi-coates-whilst-snuggled-deep-with-1718506352

'within my butthole', is how it ends

In any case, you’ve filled my ears unforgettably.

^^^ absolutely the best part

"By dissolving the dream under the acid of an excessive realism, you trap generations in the past and destroy the guiding star that points to a better future"

uh no

My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.

the ways that piece fiercely believes it deserves to feel are in such dissonance with what it's forced to acknowledge graf-by-graf it really doesn't have anyplace to end up <i>except</i> as a condemnation of "excessive realism". we are close to the center here.

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reading that piece makes me so mad i can't even begin to articulate why it makes me mad. even under the best of conditions i am not such an articulate person, but this is just ... how did this idiot end up with a NYT column again?

oh my god

i suppose there's a more patronizing set of adjectives than "depth, power and richness" with which to praise the sounds a population makes when sustained in a state of terrified rage but if i could think of them i'd have a better gig

he sounds like he's handwaving about coltrane

those are all nouns, of course.

how about calling it "searing" without seeming to understand that "My ancestors chose to come here" is the whole goddamn point. i'll sear you, david brooks!

is there any evidence through the years that david brooks can read? serious question.

can we just make this thread about the coates book? i haven't read it but i heard him read a paragraph from it aloud on the radio the other day and cried. it is just insanely beautiful. the section he read was about how black parents love their children with an almost insane love that makes them want to kill their kids rather than allow someone else (America) to do it. made me think about that lady who hit her son on camera and became a media sensation during the Baltimore uprising. made me think about Sethe in Beloved.

new thread title xp

i mean, i have plenty of stupid friends / relatives / acquaintances who are always saying things along the lines of "well if nonwhites would stop obsessing about racism then they'd really get ahead in life" ... i just don't expect to see their views show up on the NYT editorial page

i haven't read it either hs but his previous and thus softcover book just came in the mail; looking forward.

How do you come up with a phrase like "excessive realism" and not see the deep absurdity?

https://www.change.org/p/legally-change-david-brooks-name-to-this-fuckn-guy

― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, June 27, 2015

lol!

reading the Coates book right now...it is so good.

horseshoe, it is good to see your posts itt

<3 m bise

Man "excessive realism" ought to be the title of Coates' next book!

otm, essay comp imo

omg the beautiful struggle has a pulp-fantasy-style map of baltimore in the front

wasn't he going to write a book about the civil war too? almost can't imagine how awesome that would be.

As a family man, he was surprisingly relaxed and affectionate. We think of him as a man of marble, but he loved having his kids jump into bed with him and tickle his feet. With his wife’s loving cooperation, he could write witty and even saucy letters to other women. He was devout in his faith, a gifted watercolorist, a lover of animals and a charming conversationalist.

alas poor robert

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I endured shambolic security lines, inexplicable delays and a four-hour layover sitting on the floor of the Casablanca airport, thinking it was nothing like the movie.

which movie? the one about people delayed in their departure from casablanca?

Most straightforward and honest David Brooks writing ever. Maybe he just had an enema.