The Beatles - Revolver POLL

ha it's fun to fantasize but... would they really have gone in that much for collaboration, swapping vocals etc.? seems kinda unlikely. I can see them using some sidemen on stuff - the horns, a Cropper lick here or there

I wonder what that Tune In dude thinks of this?

would they really have gone in that much for collaboration, swapping vocals etc.?

yeah i admit it's maybe a reach, but these guys did adore American R&B, and it might just be that since they didn't have a ton of new originals they were eager to record, and that they probably had a short term stay booked (Rubber Soul and Revolver having both been knocked out in under a month) it might be more of a jam-session kind of deal, them discovering in the course of rehearsal a body of covers that everybody's kind of in the mood to play, and just going with it. Like if there was any moment in their career when some kind of collaboration with a stable of outside musicians (setting aside string sections and so on) was plausible I think this could have been it.

Following the fantasy a chapter forward, you can even imagine the experience shifting their priorities slightly going into the next records, coming out of Pepper going "well that was cool, but it wasn't really as fun as that Stax record, let's play together as a band more," who knows. Fanfic, I know, but ehhh, it's Beatles fandom.

in negative fanfic world, they have so much fun cranking out the record with the stax guys that when they walk in on day 1 of the pepper session and see george martin there adjusting his tie and being all serious, they immediately realize they can no longer be a band and break up immediately

haha

Like if there was any moment in their career when some kind of collaboration with a stable of outside musicians (setting aside string sections and so on) was plausible I think this could have been it.

well really this just happened a couple years later with the White Album, right? Clapton, Yoko etc. And accelerated each one's treatment of the others as session musicians, which further alienated the band from each other.

but yeah at this point they were still very much "together", maybe they were cohesive enough as a unit to work with a whole clique of new people without splintering

xposts hahaha, that's great

also a pretty cool fanfic really. paul mccartney struggles to complete his new solo concept album about an old-timey jug band, has a mental breakdown over his inability to compete with brian wilson alone. the rest of them decamp back to memphis to chase a dream. the sixties were never the same again.

i think they would have dug it honestly. i mean all the gripes about playing live where nobody could hear them, and so there was no point even playing well - getting to really kick back at length with a bunch of fucking tight players would probably have felt super stimulating and invigorating, "shit, yeah, this is what we do this for!" like a better version of how much george harrison enjoyed hanging around with The Band. you're exactly right about the white album - the "treating each other as session musicians" was the problem there but i kind of believe the stax thing would have played out differently. they also were still on mostly happy drugs.

Stax would've made much more sense for Let It Be.

ooh def

not all cold and drafty that's for sure

I'm very happily imagining some alternate timeline where this deal didn't fall through and they trundled determinedly into Memphis in late 1966...

and while they're there, they meet a teenage alex chilton, who convinces a disgruntled george harrison to quit the beatles and form a new band with him and his buddy chris bell.

...but that new band immediately breaks up because they keep fighting and it's just not fun anymore, but THEN one of the guys who was working on making flyers for them decides to change the direction of his life, and that guy ends up being the captain of the Exxon Valdez and he doesn't hit the reef in the Prince William Sound because he's so good at steering, averting environmental disaster

wtf happens at 1:23 in She Said She Said with the drums, how is that fill even possible

Is that where the time signature shifts?

that's what she said

the fill leading into "and she's making me feel like..."

sounds like a single tom hit was reversed but i doubt that was possible

There's no reversed anything and that fill is entirely possible.

nope, it's definitely there. i hadn't noticed it before. i listened to the spotify version (remastered) and then put on the original LP to doublecheck. it's on both versions.

it's reversed and clipped, very subtly, and in two different spots.

Oh yeah, that

It's not reversed. They're ghost notes.

here, i isolated the measure in question, let it repeat a few times, then do the goofy 50% slow down move for the bit in question:

https://clyp.it/njjglgbn

Turrican is right, that isn't reversed.

Turrican is right

Oh don't encourage him ffs.

principles before personalities

Delighted to know that I wind you up so much, Thomas.

also, if you reverse the clip in question, the part that sounds reversed in the original sounds like a normal note (a ghost note, actually) placed into the middle of a sea of reversal.

oh well. i mean there's nothing online about reversing a small bit of a ringo fill on "she said she said" anywhere online, and all of these recordings have been relentlessly examined, so i'm sure it didn't happen.

but agree with flappy b that it does sound like that, and if i knew how to make a sound like that on a drumset i'd be doing it left and right, probably as part of a Mysteries of Aural Illusion act in a carnival.

If you listen closely to the drum track throughout the song, you'll hear that Ringo is ghosting on the snare (and occasionally the hi-hat) throughout the song... this, combined with Emerick's close-miking on the drums is what's achieving the effect you hear. I'm 120% sure there's nothing reversed on there.

it does sound like that for sure, no argument there, as an anecdotal evidence kind of guy my support for the claim is I've had this happen to me several times since we got a drummer. we're not the Beatles so nobody every bears down and listens hard enough to notice this stuff but on several occasions I've gone WHAAAAAT THE FUCK IS THAT YOU GENIUS to the engineer or mixer and he's like "ha, no, thanks, that's just your drummer, he's really good, I know sounds backwards but it's just how the part fits into the track." on one of these occasions I was really like "are these people fucking with me?" but they weren't, this just happens.

yeah, i think it's an accidental studio effect - i don't hear it on the snare drum in the rest of the song, but there are a couple parts near the end (just before and after the final "she saaaaaaid" coda) where the cymbals almost sound reversed, and i do recognize that as something that happens when you beat the shit out of a cymbal that's way too close to an iphone, i mean microphone.

some of ringo's very best drumming on this song

an iphone, i mean microphone.

idgi

x-post:

I think Ringo himself has gone on record as saying 'Rain' is his finest drumming, but for me it's between 'She Said She Said' and 'Tomorrow Never Knows', really!

iphone/microphone

at the time i thought there was something interesting about how nowadays most people just use an iphone to record a practice sesh vs setting up a real microphone, but in the cold light of 22 minutes later, not so much!

turrican those two, along with ticket to ride, might make up my top 3 for ringo. he was really on a roll in 65/66

Recently noticed how crucial he is to ''Wait'' working at all as a song. Not flashy or anything, just really smart choices to inject interest into a below-average Lennon/McCartney product.

Ringo's my favorite player of the four by such a wide margin you can't even see the other three in the rearview.

My #1 is She Said She Said or For No One, depending on the day

I love "Wait" purely for that line..

"and I've been good, as good as I can be"

i.e. not very 'good' at all

Wasn't 'Wait' a Help! reject that ended up on Rubber Soul because they needed one more song?

^yes. one of Rubber Soul's many duds

btw thank you everyone for going in on this thread revive. question answered :)

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scenes.

^yes. one of Rubber Soul's many duds

― flappy bird, Sunday, 30 October 2016 23:23 (yesterday) Permalink

lol burned rubber

Rubber Soul, why is it so burned and hated?

Oh, I bet it was a big hit back in 1965.

I think Ringo himself has gone on record as saying 'Rain' is his finest drumming, but for me it's between 'She Said She Said' and 'Tomorrow Never Knows', really!

for me it's always going to be the backing tracks to "Strawberry Fields Forever", especially that end bit with the multi percussion. it's at the one of one of the outtakes on Anthology 2 CD 2.

OK after 45 years listening to this album I have just realised that only two songs make it to three minutes - and then only just. I would have thought Tomorrow Never Knows was, like, nine minutes. Every song a world.

Otm

yup. i dug this and Rubber Soul out the other day and I was amazed that I managed to listen to them both in the space it took to cook, eat and wash-up my breakfast.

Eight of the fourteen under 2:30 and three more between 2:30 and 2:40.

The Overlanders in 1966: 'It's just mediocre [...] I'd be embarrassed to say that I had written some of the numbers on this LP."

"Revolver: it sucks" (Record Mirror, 3 Sept 1966) pic.twitter.com/D86CK0QlYK

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