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They were NOT goth, despite the death rockers at their show. Their style was all VU.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

VU was proto-goth

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sooooo... (cracks knuckles) who's gonna make me a 240 Volts comp then??

And where does Oliver Hacke release his stuff?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

VU was proto-goth

true, but they didn't do the black lace, white face and purple lipstick thing, right? same goes for Joy Division!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

To be fair Spencer VU, Joy Division and Jesus & Mary Chain are all at least as goth as the stuff we're talking about in this thread!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

for sure. Goth has gotten a little more on the extreme side recently with the lipstick and make up but even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

oliver hacke releases on trapez, traum, and background (probably others, too), tim.

― tricky disco (disco stu), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha how many times must we have the mary chain goth/not goth argument?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.

This is a bit like saying that some considered Pope John Paul II Catholic for a period of his life.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

"goth/not goth," there's a winner of a genre. that's what happens when new sector movements goes deathrock on us.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

insert "death disco" joke here

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

new sector movements goes deathrock

Say WHAT?

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh Tim: email me

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

C Jost & Katz - "In Every Dream Home a Heardache"

geeta what does "goth" mean in Germany??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Pope John Paul II is catholic?

I thought he was a bear in the woods.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

I only heard "Tottentanz" recently (on Craig Richards' patchy but occasionally great new mix for Fabric)

My copy of this (Fabric 15: Tyrant (2 CDs)) arrived this morning. Just listening for the first time... sounds quite good.

Track list

http://www.fabriclondon.com/label.artist.doublealbum.fabric.php?artist=tyrant&release=fab15/tyr

― Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Saturday, 6 March 2004 11:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.
This is a bit like saying that some considered Pope John Paul II Catholic for a period of his life.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), February 27th, 2004.

"Yeah, I knew _she_ was a catholic..."

― mei (mei), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

To be fair Spencer VU, Joy Division and Jesus & Mary Chain are all at least as goth as the stuff we're talking about in this thread!

I have to disagree, these bands have been appropriated by Goth and fit into the goth framework or project, but they exist on their own outside of it. The Cure are straight-up GOTH.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hm, even I wouldn't go that far. They certainly didn't start that way.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

If we start disqualifying bands from being goth based on them being appropriated by goth but existing outside of it, we end up with Cleopatra bands making up the whole of the genre.

― anode (anode), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've heard weirder.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

"I have to disagree, these bands have been appropriated by Goth and fit into the goth framework or project, but they exist on their own outside of it. The Cure are straight-up GOTH."

Spencer, I met JAMC as compared to, like Richard Davis or something. Obv The Cure are more goth than JAMC.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 12:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

carsten jost - make pigs pay
paul kalkbrenner - castanets
martini brothers - love the machine (wruhme remix)
throbbing gristle - united (two lone swordsmen remix) ... just kidding. maybe.

once micro-____ hits a paradoxical micro-industrial phase itll all just implode on itself probably. "my cock's on fire" (reinhard voigt remix) etc.

― scissors (Honda), Sunday, 7 March 2004 14:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I just got a hold of Carsten Jost's "Pink" - it sounds like Source Direct doing an Armand Van Helden homage! Or vice versa!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Tim you really need to find ways to share this music like you did once before -- if your connection is more stable. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha Ned I'm actually planning to though I still don't have a computer at home. Unfortunately I only have "Pink" on vinyl!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alas!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Tim won't just have it on vinyl w/in a couple wks.

― Kanyeah West Shepherd (Andy K), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

omg this sounds like the best thing ever

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Actually no it's not the best thing ever, it's just pretty good/great. (to elaborate: a "Spin Spin Sugar" kinda bassline and all these melancholy dark ambient drones)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 March 2004 23:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Everything on Sender records.

― Philippe (Philippe), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Just wanted to add to this list the incredible "Diamond Daze" album by Pantha Du Prince (out a couple months ago on Dial). It's a bit more gritty then the recent Lawrence album....

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

funnily enough, i am about to put a 12" out on my label and one of the tracks is called 'micro goth'.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

> Haujobb feat. Vanessa Briggs - "less" and "overflow"

Did anybody else initially read that as "Handjob feat Vanessa Briggs"?

― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

OK so far two citings of the term micro goth! One on philip sherburne's blog and the other in geeta's.

Pretty soon it will have its own section in XLR8R.

By the way Jesus and Mary Chain are so so so Goth, read the lyrics to Darkland.

"Happy when it rains" I mean come on..

doesn't mean its bad, just means its goth

― hector (hector), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think I may have used it in The Wire. If I haven't yet, I will make sure to correct that post-haste. I'll do my best to include it in my Kompakt piece in XLR8R. We can consider it some kind of secret code. When ILMers see the word "micro-goth" in a print publication, that means the revolution has begun. (Ha, watch me turn up on some FBI watch list now.)

Have I mentioned that Jost remix of Turner's "After Work"? That's micro-goth, no doubt about it.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 27 May 2004 04:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

'Disco Hospital' off Coil's 'Love's Secret Domain' surely must come under the micro-goth banner.

― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 27 May 2004 04:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

No! The Mary Chain and Joy Division were not goth bands. That's like saying the Shangri-Las were a goth band because they wrote about a song about young death. The Cure most definitely are goth.

Bands like the Mary Chain have a pure rock'n'roll heritage, whereas Goths seem to be some weird hybrid of rock and cabaret. I think it's the stageyness that is the difference. The Darkness are much more goth than Joy Divsion.

― holojames (holojames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 09:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Pantha Du Prince "Glycerin" from his fucking amazing Diamond Daze record on Dial. I suppose that most of that album can be filed under Goth-House, but that track is a GOTH-HOUSE MASTERPIECE!!!!! (MIchael F Gill already noted PDP's record on 5/11/04, but i just wanted to add to his sentiments...and also gush about my favorite house track of the year)

― Daniel De Rogatis, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

so, are The Birthday Party "goth" ? i would assume so..but i really have no clue as to what their live shows were like. they seem to fit the definition of rock meets cabaret, though

― 6335, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

the pantha du prince album is holy stuff, indeed.
surprise entry into the canon, tho' via R&B: cee-lo and tori alamaze's "don' cha," upon which i expound briefly here.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 03:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Pantha Du Prince possibly one-ups the Lawrence album from last year. "Eisregen" is my fave cut.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 05:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

that tori alamaze song is AMAZING... heard it on the radio a few weeks ago and couldn't figure out what it was until your most helpful blogging, m. sherburne.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 06:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

I burned myself a sped-up mix of 'don't ya' so I can drop it in my current techno set. #1 single of 2005 so far no doubt. It was played by the hip-hop dj at the bar I was at on NYE (midnight song: Drop it like it's Hot) and I was surprised at how well the crowd knew it and how most everybody sang along.

― tylero (tylero), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 09:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

hey philip...yes the pantha du prince is a holy one indeedy...i gotta check that cee-lo cut.by the way, i'm the dan that you met at rx gallery a coupla months back...sup man? Michael F. Gill...i agree with you about it one-upping Lawrence's Absence of Blight. actually, i feel that the "possibly" is a "definitely". not to take anything away from lawrence though. the guy rules. no one bliss-drones out quite the way he does y'know?

― Daniel De Rogatis, Jr., Monday, 10 January 2005 05:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

p.s. pantha du prince fans...(if ya haven't heard yet...)check out his "Das Schweigen der Sirenen" album (also on Dial) under his other alias Glühen 4. it sure as heckfire ain't house, but it's some really fantastic ambient music. beats are there on occasion, but they are arrythmic for the most part...i would hardly classify them as "beats" though. it's nice n' eerie, filled with an unexplainable otherworldly beauty, and it's quite addictive. Dark-Pop Ambient? check it.

― Daniel De Rogatis, Jr., Monday, 10 January 2005 05:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah how AMAZING is that track on pantha du prince that samples a huge chunk from the chills' "pink frost"? it's the best thing ever. micro-goth meets frozen-air nz-pop!

― jon dale, Monday, 10 January 2005 05:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

wait, somebody did used "pink frost" in a microhouse setting before I got around to it? fuck fuck fuck.
(um, what's the track called?)

― etc, Monday, 10 January 2005 06:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

can't remember track title, i'll find out for you. great idea though isn't it? i'm sure you can guess which part of "pink frost" it uses too.

― jon dale, Monday, 10 January 2005 08:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

"circle glider"

― jon dale, Monday, 10 January 2005 13:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

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