Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

thankfully no one went around smearing bill cosby's name like this back when the accusers were afraid to come forward

lol you guys. i guess keep your fingers crossed you don't get burnt by a bad source on a big story that just needs to be told even w/out confirmation (cf RS), and that if it does happen, you aren't sued for too much.

Mordy’s right, if a beloved comedian is suspected of repeatedly sexually assaulting women, the media definitely has an obligation to just let it blow over without looking into it too much. if the controversy is meant to be, it’ll come back around in a decade or so.

― some dude, Sunday, May 17, 2015 2:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kind of weird/shitty how ilx went from being mildly social justicey for like half a year to now full on meninist

treeship and jjjusten full retard atm

singing a hymn to social justice & signing off "full retard": i shake my damn head at you man

lol my bad. not trying to sign the hymn just annoyed that the pendulum has swung so far back in the other direction

I have zero problems at all believing Louis is capable of this and completely understand why the women who've been on the other end of it might not want to put a name to these stories. The Rolling Stone situation poisoned a lot of things, but there's almost always truth behind open secrets like this.

yes, def. still don't know if it's responsible to publish this with only anonymous tips.

*secondhand tips, sorry

Jordan are you seriously citing routines from Louis CK’s standup and plots from his TV show as corroborating evidence? or are you joking?

if the former, it would be very hard to trust your intelligence and judgment about anything, including the credibility (or lack thereof) of the anonymous accusations you’ve now published online.

if may very well be that Louis CK is a lech and a harrasser, but it won’t be because he writes about those things.

good riddance to the whole strain of "journalism" you represent. i hope you are well paid, at least.

I think what everyone's trying to say is that actually, it's abou

loool

When I was a kid, flashing people your dick was called "acing", as in "Paul aced Stacy on the way home from school."

Something so weird about this way of doing a piece
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SDZ
I heard about this from a friend who lives in la, does stand up, and writes for grantland about two years ago. He was explaining why he couldn't watch the show anymore

Jordan Sargent
Wanna email me?

SDZ
I don't really have any information beyond what I shared.

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St. Elsewhere Fan #1
I’m a comedian, and this is a pretty well-known thing.

jordansargent
Wanna email me?

St. Elsewhere Fan #1
Don’t think so, thanks.

hey guys, whoa, watch out. you know that if you oppose gawker it means you are supporting men's rights hate groups?

that's how it works. there are just two positions.

jordansargent
Wanna email me?

St. Elsewhere Fan #1
Don’t think so, thanks.

I'm sure you're just abiding by Gawker's sub-tabloid rules in these instances Jordan, but man is it creepy/disgusting. Either you've got a substantive story or you haven't. This makes it look like you're hell bent on bringing down CK but don't have enough facts at hand to pull it off.

cannot believe Jordan is reaching out to people voluntarily providing free, anonymous tips to the website he works, what a slimeball

hell bent on bringing down CK but don't have enough facts at hand to pull it off.

Wait is Jordan the same writer who wrote the piece a few months ago about how Fred Armisen likes to sleep around and how there were comments on Stereogum that he had herpes or whatever?

if you have information about whether or not a guy was the author of two pieces easily searchable on the internet, wanna email me?

Don’t think so, thanks.

anonymity guaranteed

cannot believe Jordan is reaching out to people voluntarily providing free, anonymous tips to the website he works, what a slimeball

― dadbod moghadam (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 18, 2015 11:38 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's reaching out for free, anonymous tips in such a way that it seems to be preventing certain people from coming forward on the issue he's covering though. Surely that's not a good thing if these allegations are true? Anyway Whiney, didn't you work with Jordan at Spin? Seems unlikely you'd remain impartial on this thing.

Jordan jerked off in front of me at SPIN, in the form of a The-Dream feature

just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more unpleasant

You guys do realise you don't know shit about who the sources actually are, right?

(I mean Treesh and crew obviously)

the tipster works a 9-to-5 job but does comedy at night

he looks good in whatever he wears

Phil is so clearly the tipster
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7c5y1v1tz1qd6v30o1_500.jpg

Alan also giving that "I am the tipster" look

Mike may actually be Phil w/ a haircut and no glasses. So I suspect that he may also be our tipster.

I used to know a lot of comics around SF, all of them were creeps, none of this particularly surprises me if it's true, call me back if he actually rapes someone like Cosby though.

Like, I was just thinking yesterday, actually, why is exposing your body to someone such a huge crime? (this was prompted by an NPR story about sex offenders). I get it if it's kids, or something, but is the world so fragile that just the site of a penis enough to destroy your serenity? Indicative of a problem, sure, but criminal? give me a break.

i mean..... the job of a reporter is to collect information. just because someone is posting in the comments section of an article does not mean they do not have worthy information. most of the time they don't, but sometimes they do. this is true even for people who don't post in comment sections. the only way to find out is by hearing what a person has to say. i don't see how it's in the interest of a reporter to turn away or not seek out information about a story they're working on. that's basically antithetical to the job, actually.

xp he allegedly masturbated in front of them while blocking their safe exit. this is and definitely should be a crime.

Xp If a woman can't breastfeed comfortably in public or relax idly in a public park without her nipples concealed, I'd say we're not ready for full frontal for another several steps.

ime it is very rare for a journalist to write a story and then try to source it in its own comment thread. what a brave new world.

xp he allegedly masturbated in front of them while blocking their safe exit. this is and definitely should be a crime.

One of the comments links to a statement from one of the women that that's not how it went down, though. I don't have any difficulty believing he's capable of this but blind items are awfully difficult to base an assumption of guilt on.

^^^^^

i mean..... the job of a reporter is to collect information.

A good reporter knows to have some tact/diplomacy when approaching a subject with potentially sensitive information. "Wanna email me?" is just amateur hour. I do realize that asking a Gawker writer to have tact/diplomacy is kind of hilarious.

yeah exactly. it's not that i am flabbergasted by the possibility - he could be a serial killer i have no idea. god knows powerful men abuse their power to mistreat women. but still, a person's reputation isn't like a trivial thing you can just kick around for the fuck of it. if you're going to say stuff like this you should at least have something solid. i felt the same way when people were calling lena dunham a "child molester" based on a weird passage in her book.

should also note that this has nothing to do with how i feel about the people involved. i don't care at all about louis ck. tao lin is my favorite contemporary author but i didn't dare try to defend him when ER Kennedy came forward about his experiences.

tao lin is my favorite contemporary author but

― Treeship, Monday, May 18, 2015 1:03 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean, we can start that if you want but let's not

Similar article last year by JS/Gawker on Bryan Singer, as in "here's what we've heard and the tipline is open."

a person's reputation isn't like a trivial thing you can just kick around for the fuck of it.

Neither is a person's right not to experience sexual assault iirc, so maybe "Stop being so MEAN, you guuuuuys" is...an insufficient response.

as thirsty-to-piously-sociopathic as gawker comes off in these situations i'm glad to have this shit move past "long-established industry rumor" because i care more about powerful people not being able to abuse others than the possibility that an innocent comedy superstar will get embarrassed

Neither is a person's right not to experience sexual assault iirc, so maybe "Stop being so MEAN, you guuuuuys" is...an insufficient response.

some ppl might argue that the more severe the accusation, the more certain you should be about it before publishing. imagine if the crime was murder - gawker got an anonymous tip that louie ck is being looked into for a series of killings in NYC in the early 2000s. a person has a right not to experience being murdered, but why would that remove your obligation to make sure what you're running w/ is true first? or is sexual assault different (maybe bc you feel society doesn't treat it as importantly as it does murder so our normal standards of reporting gossip should be lower)?

the problem here is i think they didn't make the tip the story, they made a tip about a non-incriminating response to a question the story.

so the whole thing seems vaguer than if it had focused on the tip directly and on getting more tips directly.

i think the problem is that afaict gawker has not spoken to a single victim