good overview
― lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
that krugman column linked above has its heart in the right place, but sentences like these make me cringe more than a little:
Take, for example, issues of health and mortality. Many people have pointed out that there are a number of black neighborhoods in Baltimore where life expectancy compares unfavorably with impoverished Third World nations. But what’s really striking on a national basis is the way class disparities in death rates have been soaring even among whites.
it's the phrase But what’s really striking that rankles. as if it's a competition between class and race! "yeah, i know racial disparities are profound, but what's really striking..."
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
also:
It has been disheartening to see some commentators still writing as if poverty were simply a matter of values, as if the poor just mysteriously make bad choices and all would be well if they adopted middle-class values. Maybe, just maybe, that was a sustainable argument four decades ago,
no, that was never a "sustainable" argument in re. structural poverty.
i mean krugman wants to make this all about the recent increase in inequality and all that portends, but in doing so he kind of hand-waves away some stuff that he really shouldn't be...
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
no, that was never a "sustainable" argument in re. structural poverty
yeah this bothered me too when I read it. as if there were not huge structural reasons for poverty 4 decades ago - "previous generations of poors were just bad decision makers" is not a historically valid argument imo.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Krugman doesn't write felicitous prose. He concedes that his wife severely edits him.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
Fortunately to Brooks every generation of poors made bad decisions
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link
at least previous generations of poors had elder sages to let them know what bad decisions they were making
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
undeserving poors will always be with us
― irl sweatpants (Hunt3r), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
It IS a competition between - not class and race - but class and identity politics - in the competition for redress. Lobbing little victories toward the aims of identity politics is easy. Fixing class inequality is hard and is unlikely to make the Wall Street money masters happy.
Racial inequality only exacerbated by class inequality, obviously.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 7 May 2015 23:10 (eight years ago) link
FP
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 8 May 2015 00:26 (eight years ago) link
flag this, pal
― Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link
discussions are made so much more interesting with amateur football refs running around throwing hankies at minor dissents
― Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 02:43 (eight years ago) link
well there's a whole much more interesting discussion happening on the 'privilege as a meme' thread about this subject
but here's a preview: you're wrong
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 8 May 2015 04:27 (eight years ago) link
Oh there's always action on the racism, sexism, privilege threads. But look at how quiet the class-related threads are.
― Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link
Do you actually disagree that racial inequality is exacerbated by class inequality? What exactly is so threatening about this notion?
Can people have more than one political identity at a time?
Because a rise in good ol' cross-the-boundaries class consciousness would be kind of helpful right now --- I believe I heard West and Smiley talking about economic commonalities and shared conditions, for example. It's certainly what I'm talking about.
And it puts the current "left" to sleep.
― Vic Perry, Friday, 8 May 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link
It does not seem like that is what you were saying. You seemed to be dismissing concerns about racial inequality. Bad cops are not quizzing African-Americans about their class status
― curmudgeon, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
It IS a competition between - not class and race - but class and identity politics - in the competition for redress.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
this is a thread for making fun of david brooks btw, he wrote a love letter to the ruling class today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/opinion/mothers-and-presidents.html
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
eye have already been rolled at Jacobin class articles on the privilege thread so VP's views are clearly in need of flagging
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
happy Mother's Day!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
If I like Barbara Bush, do I hate my mother?
was kinda shocked at him coming right out and saying society exists at the begining there tbh
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link
he doesn't love Thatcher THAT much
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
its like the core conservative belief, he never wouldve ceded that much ground to left a couple years ago
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link
"According to some surveys, 90 percent of businesses around the world are family-operated businesses."
for real?
― scott seward, Friday, 8 May 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 8 May 2015 14:44 (1 hour ago) Permalink
This guys been on a roll lately
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 8 May 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
yes only 10% of business-owners don't have families
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
brontes and amises in novel writing
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
Some mothers — and some fathers, husbands and wives — shape their kin with extraordinary power, and in certain directions.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
you know the ones im talking about: east, southeast, south by southeast
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
well, family-operated business would mean at least two members of a family run the business. so, again, really? 90% of all businesses?
― scott seward, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
at least two members of a family run the business
it does?
anyway Brooks is a moron it's safe to say that number is bullshit
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
I dunno, Wikipedia says
Family business is the oldest and most common model of economic organization. The vast majority of businesses throughout the world—from corner shops to multinational publicly listed organizations with hundreds of thousands of employees—can be considered family businesses.[1]
I wouldn't be that surprised.
― jmm, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
90% seems high to me too, but i mean what is a business and what does it mean to be part of it, i help out my dad w his business occasionally is that family business now idk
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
sure they can be, if you're willing to call franchises operated by families as "family businesses" or huge corporations with majority stockholders from a single family as "family businesses" etc. I mean it's just a dishonest rhetorical device, it doesn't reflect reality.
xxp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
every corporation has a right to a family too, just as it has a relationship with God, its creator.
― irl sweatpants (Hunt3r), Friday, 8 May 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
corporations are families, hello
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
Business has a right to children
― See the Belz up in the sky, somebody cancelled SVU (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 8 May 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link
90 percent of businesses around the world are family-operated businesses
this is shocking? pretty much goes from the murdochs and the ny times and the koch bros down to yr corner store and w33d dealer
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link
to da mob (family)
― Mademoiselle Coiffures (mattresslessness), Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:41 (eight years ago) link
99% of business are like little mom and pop businesses, it's just that a small percentage of businesses seem to dominate commerce.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 9 May 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link
Trying to imagine the puffed-up pinkish glow this gave to Mr. Brooks' jowls this morning:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/opinion/robert-redford-on-david-brooks.html?src=recg&_r=0
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 10 May 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
redford kind of a dim bulb. part of me kinda doesn't want to live long enough to see brad pitt become redford. both kinda not-great dim bulb pretty boys. like warren basically. for some reason i'll never forget being on nantucket when i was a little kid and a funny cab driver going on an on about how short robert redford was and how terrible his skin was! she was really shocked. he's got a couple of inches on tom anyway.
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Movies/PhotoG/robert-redford-tom-cruise-2007-14413.jpg
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 May 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link
would pay to see cruise as a hobbit
― Aimless, Sunday, 10 May 2015 03:30 (eight years ago) link
Would pay to see cruise as a hobbit and get murked by one of those stocky beardo dudes with axes
― brosario nawson (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
even harry pooper is a hobbit next to K-Ho.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/19/article-2344324-0A062415000005DC-666_306x504.jpg
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 May 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
KIDS TODAY YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING???
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/opinion/david-brooks-the-campus-crusaders.html?_r=0
― scott seward, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
david brooks' face should come with a trigger warning...
― scott seward, Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
plus, how many PC backlashes do i have to live through?
it's political correctness gone mad GONE MAD
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Thursday, 4 June 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link