pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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This thread is basically becoming a bunch of guys pushing/past 40 rolling their eyes at the work of twentysomething women...

Circle of life: http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/750-ageism-lou-reeds-lulu-madonnas-tongue-and-jazz-fest/

I liked that piece tbh

can i recommend pottery?

the pitch is written and edited like a blog i guess, so it does feel a bit mean-spirited to treat it in the same way as something else that's ostensibly more, you know, edited.

but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl. i don't think an in-the-moment thing necessarily needs to be burdened with knowing what dylan thought of sensitive men or w/e.

"but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl."

This is most of the reason why Anthony Fantano gets clowned right?

i think thats a v small part of the (many) reason(s) why fantano gets (justifiably) clowned

v small or actually like 50% why?

but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl.

part of why i linked to that blog post was to clarify that i'm not expecting younger writers to have a fuller sense of history, but for editors to check for assumptions etc. I think it's a shame that pitchfork's apparent outlet for a more diverse group of opinions and subjects is being used basically like a college op-ed page

the normal reviews may well be just as poorly edited, but people are more likely to read grand thinkpieces (or tossed off blog posts with grand thinkpiece titles) than reviews of obscure artists

and as proven by the hubbub over mike powell's lazy jim o'rourke thing it's not like people are only annoyed by it when it's twentysomething women talking politics

also can i just note that This thread is basically becoming a bunch of guys pushing/past 40 rolling their eyes at the work of twentysomething women... is big talk from a guy who less than a week ago was dismissing the idea that Speedy Ortiz merits discussion

also can i just note that This thread is basically becoming a bunch of guys pushing/past 40 rolling their eyes at the work of twentysomething women... is big talk from a guy who less than a week ago was dismissing the idea that Speedy Ortiz merits discussion

Dude, we've been over this. Whiney's apartment is a rabbit-warren of full-length mirrors coated in spittle.

that's park slope for you

Like it was fun when we were all fresh-faced kids in 2002 stunting on pseudo-intellectual bloviator bros getting their first writing gigs straight outta lollege, but it's been like 15 years or something, we need a new hobby

― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is quite possibly the stupidest post ever written in the history of ILM.

straight outta lollege !

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how "young" are we talking because I am pretty sure not everyone mentioned in this thread recently is just out of college

clarify that i'm not expecting younger writers to have a fuller sense of history,

heaven forbid

I'm a big fan of PC Music and don't generally go too hard on Pitchfork, but this is frankly ridiculous:
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20542-pc-music-volume-1/

it's a bit breathless, but i give it an A for effort. i mean, it took some thought to come up with. which i appeciate. i am all for thought. i kinda want to know what this is though: "in its "South Park"-ish warehouse artlessness."

just trying to picture what that would be...

http://i.imgur.com/MYyEXOo.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLvp630plc

yeah what was ridiculous about it, seemed pretty well written to me

it's like aliens sinking a jukebox in acid mannn

i thought that was a great review, number was much higher than i would have gone with but the review felt like you could have shifted the number any direction & it would be pretty well unchanged

one criticism i might have about PC music after reading it, for example, is: Like all of these networks and products, PC Music answers our desire to escape the burden of physical presence —this feels like a very old experience of the internet—like, now its my non-physical presence which feels like more of a burden. PC Music kinda run on pre-Facebook ideas.

but anyway

anti-physical music for an anti-physical time

Not sure I understand what this means

"PC Music kinda run on pre-Facebook ideas."

i've come to like them more than ever in the past few months, but this is so otm

"anti-physical music for an anti-physical time"

everyone sits around all day playing shooter games. i think that's what that means.

So is PC Music good for Call of Duty?

Remember when we had "pre-Facebook ideas" and pro-physical music in a pro-physical time...

i think all of these things you guys are pretending to be confused by are pretty comprehensible w/in context

Remember when we had "pre-Facebook ideas" and pro-physical music in a pro-physical time...

do I ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA

we laughed, we cried...

http://healthblog.yinteing.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/img_4909.jpg

i was honestly confused by the south park line i quoted. it wasn't faux-confusion, i swear.

but i'll read it again in context.

I feel like the Guardian story about PC Music captured it much better than the Pitchfork review. Certainly made it seem much more interesting to me.

i haven't read the review yet but will tomorrow and am excited. without knowing anything, i'm surprised to see pc music getting a 7.3

I really enjoyed it as a review - it's obviously a bit intense and OTT but I think if you're listening to the compilation in question you're going to be approaching it knowing the baggage and connotations it brings. When PC Music is at its best it's challenging music, I think a challenging read is called for when reviewing such an album.

more early eighties workout photos please

if you're listening to the compilation in question you're going to be approaching it knowing the baggage and connotations it brings

I kinda feel like this is too bad; like it would be more interesting, and more in the spirit of the project, for people to come at it cold, without the baggage of their (the listeners') theoretical presuppositions. How does this stuff work as pop music? If it doesn't, if it only works as a knowing art project, then isn't that a failure?

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That's probably my biggest complaint about PC Music and the way we approach PC Music as ~critical thinkers - for all "Hey QT" may or may not be an ironic satire on brand infiltration in pop music and how we enjoy it, I can't help but feel it would work better (or, inspire a stronger reaction, at least) if it was a better song. I like the compilation the more it resembles great pop music and the less it seems like conceptualist experiments.

As someone who kept hearing the name PC Music but wasn't much aware of any of the convo happening around them, I encountered the songs and the Hey QT video and mostly came away thinking "oh, so this is like the high-pitched voiced glitchy dance-pop that Kylie, Britney, and the like have been doing for years but with added ironic distance."

"more early eighties workout photos please"

man, when i found that victoria principal picture there was a photo of a t.v. guide spread online of her doing exercises you could do while watching t.v. so that you never missed your favorite shows, but now i can't find it. that makes her some sort of post-physical pioneer.

but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl.

i'm not really in favor of anyone getting "clowned," but it's not wrong to demand that writers — even young ones — be willing to broaden their knowledge of history, especially when they seek to explain things in a historical context. i'm not a real music critic like some of y'all, but i love to learn things & i can't see why someone who is interested in writing about music & its place in culture wouldn't be delighted to learn more. although the '90s sucked entirely from start to finish so i can understand why people wouldn't want to delve deeper.

http://www.fitforfun.de/files/images/201110/0/jane-fonda-1981,35218_m_n.jpg

thank you. posting lolz is apparently too much for my feeble brain today.

can someone point me to some britney, kylie, jpop or kpop that resembles the lipgloss twins?

I don't know about the lipgloss twins specifically, but most of the rest of the stuff on Vol. 1 and especially everything by Hannah Diamond and A.G. Cook sounds like Britney or Kylie with the vocals slightly sped up and pitch-shifted to chipmunk levels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTztyRDl70

See also: Kylie's Carried Away and Too Much, pretty much anything else from Britney's Femme Fatale. Don't know enough jpop/kpop to speak on that.