HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Some people do seem to get impatient when there aren't Big Shocking Events happening. I mean, this episode had a wedding and no-one even got murdered during it. But I enjoyed this ep quite a bit, actually.

Yeah, Tryion was getting a little loose-tongued (who was that woman who spotted him?), and I also think Jorah is whisking him off to Daenerys - he's obviously still got her on his mind, what with drinking away his sorrows in close proximity to Dany cosplay prostitutes. Whether or not she's becoming less popular as a ruler; they clearly still think she's hott.
Margaery is also starting to be less careful about what she says in front of Cersei when she's with her giggling handmaidens. I did like "we'll get some wine for you - it's a little early for us".

Arya in a dress. I liked the girl assisting her, in the House of Black & White; hope she becomes a recurring character.

Well, Rila Fukushima (famous fashion model turned actress, I know her best from second Wolverine film but she's been in other tv shows too) is obviously a red priestess but I don't know if there's enough to suggest she'll be in it much as anything other than a sign of the spreading of that religion.

i don't think GoT takes a well known face and gives it a speech and a closeup and a meaningful exchange of looks with a lead character without having the payoff of more of the same, especially when it's a young beautiful woman

apparently an alfie allen interview has confirmed that the ramsay scene i am most terrified of in the books is indeed going to be in the show

oh sweet christ...

― slothroprhymes, Monday, April 27, 2015 6:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if sansa is filling the role of a character from the books who marries ramsay snow, it will be very unpleasant indeed

― slothroprhymes, Monday, April 27, 2015 3:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey, nothing personal but can we have less of this in here, please? Even vague it's still kind of a drag

Let's bump spoilers thread, I would like to discuss more aboveboard

thx

i didnt know there was a spoiler friendly thread (i'm newish here), my bad

Don't worry; I figured - no problem at all

but there must be justice

throw him through the moon door

I've often wondered if there's like a whole bunch of smashed bone and maybe a sizable permanent bloodstain on the ground somewhere, many miles down from the moon door

or if you fall that far at a certain speed do you just like splatter and mostly disintegrate?

wonder what life in the town nearest that point is like. "honey, did you leave the cat out again?" "nah babe that was just the last scream of someone who read a story wrong to robin arryn"

mythbusters shld do the moon door

haha distant screams of humans falling miles to their death or a nearby cat's meow? I guess that's pretty accurate.

right okay, i've seen the third episode now and things are slowly starting to move forward BUT -- I'm still a bit confused as to what a lot of the characters are up to. It's probably because the last season feels like so long ago and I've forgotten a few details but what exactly is Arya up to? Why did she go all the way to the house of black and white just to hang out and do nothing? What was that token she threw in the river? I don't remember how she got it. Why does she want to become 'no one'? Who are all the people there? Am I right in thinking the guy in the cloak is the same assassin who granted her three kills in previous series, or is he someone else? Is Arya merely interested in revenge at this stage or something bigger? What's all the mumbo jumbo about the 7 gods or archetypes or something, and when did she learn all this?

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Why did she go all the way to the house of black and white just to hang out and do nothing? What was that token she threw in the river? I don't remember how she got it. Why does she want to become 'no one'? Who are all the people there? Am I right in thinking the guy in the cloak is the same assassin who granted her three kills in previous series, or is he someone else? Is Arya merely interested in revenge at this stage or something bigger? What's all the mumbo jumbo about the 7 gods or archetypes or something, and when did she learn all this?

she has nowhere else to go and is sick of not having control of her own destiny; a coin given to her by jaqen h'ghar signifying that she is a friend of the faceless men; she got it from jaqen h'ghar in season 2; yes, that is jaqen h'ghar; arya is interested in revenge, yes sure, but also in having agency of some kind; she learned exactly as you did, the idea is that single throughline through all the religions in the world of GoT (or here on Earth) is that the one god worshiped by all people is the god of death, and that is who we ultimately serve. that's the faith of the faceless men, with whom arya is currently chilling.

cheers!

i must say, a lot of that doesn't feel very explicit in this season. despite the much-heralded divergences from the books, this season feels increasingly like an adaptation where certain plot-points are breezed over and character arcs don't feel particularly clear. I'm sure it's clearer in the bookes, but for those just watching as a series, it's testament to this season's rocky start that Arya would travel to a house in the middle of nowhere because she doesn't appear to have anything better to do. And as mentioned upthread, being refused access and then being granted it for no apparent reason a day or two later seems like a willfully gnomic move.

I'm not getting any of this confusion, tbh. I mean, for Arya's reasons for going, at least. Now we are experiencing things through her eyes, as a stranger in a strange land, and the mystery is deliberate. And that's fine.

But if Arya's hell-bent on avenging her relatives, why has she set sail to Braavos so she can hang around a dank labyrinth trying to forget who she is?

She knows she needs the skills first. She's pretty patient is Arya.

she has wanted to be a killer since p much the start, and they did spend several episodes showing how shit hot at killing people that jaqen guy was.

ah, alright then.

I was wondering whether deciding not to throw Needle away was due to sentimentalism, or just that she was thinking, 'this Faceless Men thing may turn out to be bs, I need a back-up plan'. Or a bit of both.

didn't ned give it to her? seems it'd be p hard to throw away the weapon your murdered father passed on.

Ned or Jon Snow? Or did Jon just help her name it or something?

I thought Ned gave it to her - didn't he find she was trying to learn to fight, get annoyed, then change heart and give her the sword?

ned got her some sword lessons. jon had the sword made for her

Oh yeah, it's coming back to me - Ned found the sword amongst her stuff in King's Landing, was pissed off at first then relented and sorted Syrio out to give her lessons.

ah right - presume they're just keeping the sword in the picture so she can kill jon snow with it then

she wants to kill jon snow?

nah i'm just imagining a future scenario in which that might be the case

i haven't read the books

Arya's kill list as it stands: "Cersei, Walter Frey, the Mountain, Meryn Trant"

why is the mountain on it again?

i think he was commanding the torturers in that ruined city when she was captured there. i assume that was when his name got on the list

so that's what she was saying. I heard 'marlin trout' and thought she had it in for a fish. who the fuck is meryn trant?

he killed Syrio

figured it wasn't RDJ's fault

He's in it quite a lot but rarely says anything - hatchet-faced kingsguard who's always lurking around Cersei.

Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation

yes, they have. i know because i've been really bad jokes about arya spending it on a hot dog for a couple years now

You mean some brown stew in Hell's bottom

Shit, show merge. Uh, Bottom's Kitchen

What's thatp lace called. The place with the stews

In Flea Bottom we called them 'bowls of brown'.

Right. Hell's Fleas

Flea Bottom, Flea Bottom, talk about brown bowls, the Red Keep's got 'em.

Haven't they been showing us Arya staring at that coin and reciting names for two seasons before this one? This is not a case of a show not setting up a character motivation

― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:47 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was more the fact she was supposed to be out for revenge but instead decided to go to a house in the remotest of nowhere, throwaway her possessions (including, ostensibly, her sword), so she could hang around and mop a floor while forgetting who she is. I don't remember a bit in S4 where she made up her mind to go to Braavos or the b/w house but maybe I'm forgetting it. It was a year ago.