Which one?
― let's love Jessica to death (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 19 April 2015 03:27 (nine years ago) link
we said it was kind of shitty for gawker to call a woman a "horny mom" two paragraphs after describing her rape. deej called us idealistic simpletons who know nothing of the hard compromises one makes in the real world of clickbait creation
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're a dumb piece of shit too
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 06:55 (nine years ago) link
jjjusten swooped in to suggest that a lazily written piece of clickbait was actually a malicious attempt to make LOLZ out of a story that included rape
i suggested it was just lazily written clickbait copied from another source bc thats how those things tend to work, rather than an intentionally trumped up story
bc jjjusten, croupier, sufjan et al couldn't get people from gawker to respond and i'd made an argument that was close enough to 'defending' gawker and the news story they'd written, they started accusing me of saying a bunch of shit i didn't say, followed by calling me stupid over& over
then it calmed down for a bit and someone posted choire sicha's times editorial suggesting the internet shame book out soon might just be misrepresenting the real problem with social media which is the much more prevalent examples of social media harassing women
i concurred with sicha's article
jjjusten, either because he kneejerk disagrees with everything i say or because he's a probable sexist, called me stupid again restarting an argument
in order to move to a safer subject where he wasn't defending an obviously-stupid book, he quickly backslid to accusing me of defending the 'horny mom story'
and so we're back at the beginning
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 07:03 (nine years ago) link
actual summary-- remember the dog/train thing? this is like a dumber sequel
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 07:19 (nine years ago) link
whats the dog/train thing? link plz
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 07:22 (nine years ago) link
d-40 appears to be trying to communicate and everyone else is doing some joe scarborough bit or something
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 07:23 (nine years ago) link
(summary)
or w/e fill in the blank idiot tv talking head
D-40 appears to be trying not to read this post:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7066236
huff post article doesn't refer to her as the Horny Mom
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 08:14 (nine years ago) link
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130626214051-pmt-crossfire-returns-to-discuss-scotus-prop-8-doma-00002816-horizontal-gallery.jpg
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 09:23 (nine years ago) link
But she was a horny mom
Crossfire coming back to TV O_O
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
lol lady on the right giving newt the look
― lag∞n, Sunday, 19 April 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
Looool
we said it was kind of shitty for gawker to call a woman a "horny mom" two paragraphs after describing her rape.
i suggested it was just lazily written clickbait copied from another source
he quickly backslid to accusing me of defending the 'horny mom story'
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
^my summary, soz for no imgs
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
It's defending the horny mom story to suggest that "horny mom" is an accurate description? Ok
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
No it's defending the decision to call a woman a "horny mom" two paragraphs after describing her rape
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
Which iirc was the original complaint, lemme check upthread
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
aw man, i was hoping we'd just assume there was no sarcasm in d-40's acceptance and move on
― da croupier, Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
iirc the original discussion was whether or not gawker was actually trying to make a rape story into internet lols and the example used was "horny mom," that didn't strike me as "lols" so much as a pretty accurate description of the mom in the story, if not the most tasteful wording. I'm not defending clickbait trash articles, merely suggesting that this article wasn't a product of malicious lulz-quest as much as the usual clickbait aggregation all these places do
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
if not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wordingif not the most tasteful wording
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
She literally was a horny mom how is this a debate
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
have you ever been raped?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
dude seriously. how are those words not intended to belittle and render facetious?
― Pat Condell tha funkee homosapien (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
how can you be ignorant that that turn of phrase reeks of blaming the victim and perpetuating stereotypes?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
unless you think that her rape was funny or no big deal
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Have you read the story? The rape and the horniness are not being linked here, no one is trying to minimize that she was raped.
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
it shows a distinct lack of sensitivity to the issue of the rape
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
I agree it was not a very sensitively written story
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
do you agree that turn of phrase is a dick move?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Did you read the article? The woman sounds deeply fucked up and in need of help. I don't know if the writer had any intended malice but it was still a shitty thing to use as your headline. And Gawker positions itself as putting out a superior product to "the usual clickbait aggregation all these places do."
never thought I'd be tired of hearing the words "horny mom."
― JoeStork, Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
It's a story where a women came out and masturbated in front of a party of people that included her kid and the concern is about whether "horny" is the right or wrong adjective to use to describe her. Insensitive, trashy, sure, but it seems like radical point-missing to suggest the word "horny" is the root issue here. The story is a disturbing trainwreck that will go viral with or without it
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
So you're arguing that it's okay to be a dick about a rape victim because there's a market for pandering asshole journalism?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
gtfo this thread everyone tbf
sarahell so obv otm but gtfo thread
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
It's a story where a women came out and masturbated in front of a party of people that included her kid
See maybe this is just the field I work in but this says "mental illness" to me much more than it does "horny"
― JoeStork, Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
You guys are arguing with a position I'm not even taking but im pretty tired of talking about this stupid article
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:02 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I am quite emphatically not saying that fwiw
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
This thread has taken a turn away from summarizing a clusterfuck thread to importing a clusterfuck thread. Which is redundant.
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
What position are you taking then?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
it reads awful like that and has done for three days to r more especially in the posts from the last ten mins in this thread also all the other ones can you see where multiple posters who have no issue with you ten months out of the year keep pulling you up on this or do you genuinely believe that we are out there coordinating disagreement with you just for kicks cos man my sundays are worth a lot more to me on that there's only idk three ilxors I would do that for
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That the market for pandering journalism is the problem
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
That viral bullshit is what pays for actual journalism is the problem
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:02 PM (7 minutes ago)
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
And that a thread like "hey gawker dudes" was a pretty lazy way to ignore structural probs while getting to feel like I were making a difference
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:21 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I said it was "ok"?
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
How about: being a dick in an article about a rape victim isn't nearly as horrible as the market for pandering asshole journalism that this article is just a small part of?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
Not claiming one is worse than the other but one is definitely a symptom of the other
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
my hot take, or how these clusterfucks tend to get rolling
it is ridiculously easy for people to interpret explaining bad behavior as excusing or justifying it, especially if one's explanation is not accompanied by a sufficiently virulent condemnation to override this default interpretation. socially speaking, when condemnation is taken as the only valid position, anything written in addition to that is taken as a weakening of the condemnation and therefore must be condemned.
it appears that deej is now caught in the trap of endlessly explaining that he wasn't excusing gawker when he was explaining gawker. this will never be countenanced. his explaining will, at this point, be automatically be taken as excusing his original offense, which excusing must be condemned.
deej needs to understand that the only socially acceptable position right now is to condemn himself, and to apologize for what he is certain he did not do, or else shut up, because he's not going to elicit understanding of this distinction, no matter how much or how clearly he explains himself.
I've been there too often to count.
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
ya but he did
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
endlessly
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
i was going to point out that, while i'm certainly capable of debating an ilxor until everyone involved or reading is frustrated and exasperated, i can't imagine believing that EVERYONE doesn't get it. That I've got a valid point, I'm explaining it perfectly well, and the overwhelming majority, not just one or two little stinkers, are completely missing it after a day of posting. If I had that little respect for the hivemind, what would be the point of engaging with it?
but aimless to the contrary.
― da croupier, Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link