Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

Trap Queen

not sure i really know what you guys consider the right kind of money spent and the wrong kind of money spent in the making of a hit, but considering fetty is on lyor cohen's new label that has direct deals with google and twitter. i wouldn't assume money wasn't spent

not sure i really know what you guys consider the right kind of money spent and the wrong kind of money spent in the making of a hit, but considering fetty is on lyor cohen's new label that has direct deals with google and twitter. i wouldn't assume money wasn't spent

― da croupier, Friday, April 3, 2015 8:29 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark

Trap Queen

I'm talking about the song creation process and implying this song was not written by weeknd bc he has no pop instincts

Trap queen was the same record before lyor got on board that it was after

weird to talk about a song tied to a huge hit movie and soundtrack like it's succeeded purely on pop merits to the point where there's no way the singer involved could be pop enough to contribute to its creation

like, someone else could just be like "oh the weeknd is still making garbage, he just needs ariana grande or the biggest r rated movie of the year to do well"

also the song has four credited songwriters, one ringer (who did shit like "wrecking ball"), two regular weeknd collaborators and ol' sideshow bob himself. i mean i guess the ringer could have written it entirely himself and then shared credit with the weeknd's regular team but damn sucks he had to let all three on

"no way patrick swayze had anything to do with writing a song as tight as she's like the wind"

I don't even understand what point your making but I could completely believe that the reason the song is a hit is bc the dude who wrote "wrecking ball" got involved

"Earned It" is by far the least disgusting of The Weeknd's singles but I'll admit that the Ariana Grande hit softened me.

Basically my point is the idea of "earning" a "genuine" hit is rockist malarkey

And that its ironic to ignore a pretty obv non musical factor in a songs success when trying to disqualify it

Cool story Tracer

what is happening what is trap queen

we are all trap queen now

Basically my point is the idea of "earning" a "genuine" hit is rockist malarkey

― da croupier, Friday, April 3, 2015 9:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this would be relevant if i was trying to convince anyone that they should like or dislike the song, rather than just mocking the weeknd's lack of pop instincts

& yeah obv the arianna grande song is totally classic but w/e

"you're always worth it" is basically a disgusting line. "you earned it" also disgusting. he's either paying for sex with her, or he's in that more ambiguous zone of sugar daddy, and these compliments that he evidently thinks are profound and touching are like one more shitty necklace to her, she's like "whatever jack" in her mind but with her eyes and face she's like "ooh yes big stuff, i am here to please you always" and he's like "man i think this ho actually loves me"

Okayyyyy. We're interpreting this song completely differently cause I'm hearing it as him singing to a lover, not as part of a transactional dynamic, singing about intangible rather than material things. I get why people are ready to assume the worst of him but I feel like, with a few notable exceptions, if it were any other r&b singer with the exact same set of lyrics, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Like Miguel's sang way sketchier things ("How Many Drinks" anyone?) and I can't see anyone jumping down his throat if he sang this. But if that's how you want to read it, I can't stop you.

what is happening what is trap queen

#6 on the charts, #1 in our hearts

Btw I dropped both those songs at a club tonight and way more people danced to "Earned It" ¯\_o_O)_/¯

Earned It rules, tho looking into The Weeknd's catalogue after hearing it ws a v unpleasant experience (obv). Song reads as abt his first unmisogynistic to me and I kinda think that's part of its success (along w pretty arrangement/vocal etc). Tracer's reading just seems willfully weird

"earned it" and "you're worth it" are explicitly transactional phrases.. this isn't some kind of weird reach

and yes, i put it in the context of his previous creepy-ass songs, why wouldn't i?

Yeah that bit makes sense, bt those transactional phrases're v commonly used to describe relationships, bc capitalism, so that bit seemed a big stretch

the new #1 is wiz khalifa's pop-rap song from the furious 7 movie

"trap queen" rises to #4

"post to be" jumps to #16 and possibly headed for top 10. as w/ "trap queen" before it's getting streamed a ton and only has major airplay at urban radio for now (tho gaining at rhythmic).

big sean's "blessings" (don't really like the song but w/e) is also in a similar situation w/ very high streaming activity and major play only at urban, so it could be on its way too. (neither it nor "post to be" have been really big sellers like "trap queen" has become tho.)

i would say the streaming metric is (recently) serving a similar purpose as retail singles sales did in the 90s for r&b songs, i.e. to drive initial gains up the chart so non-urban stations will take notice and start giving them some play.

the hot 100's top positions look like they could end up being about as male-dominated as they were (white) female-dominated for some time last year. black women not named nicki minaj, rihanna or beyonce (or natalie la rose for 1 week) lose either way :(

to be fair black women besides those 3 artists aren't really on urban radio that much at the moment either. Ciara's latest peaked at #16 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, Sevyn Streeter at #19, Mary J. Blige at #35...women besides Beyonce are having it rough in R&B.

i dunno if we have a "race in music" thread or if this is it, so
http://clandesteen.tumblr.com/post/107484511963/dont-cash-crop-my-cornrows-a-crash-discourse-on
sorta sarkeesian-y but you could do plenty worse for a sixteen year old's assessment of the landscape

point of order that the dude who sings the hook on that wiz song is charlie puth, whose terrible meghan trainor collab 'marvin gaye' has been covered in the worst songs thread

forks wtf

i'm really frightened that charlie puth might actually become a thing

are you offering some pushback

goddamit safari autocorrect ruined my brilliant pun

puthback

lol

deej wtf

i'm really frightened that charlie puth might actually become a thing

― dyl, Friday, April 17, 2015 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've never known what "become a thing" really means, but especially now if singing a #1 pop hit doesn't count

"become a thing" = get his own thread on ilx

Macklemore & Ryan Lewis: a thing
Wanz: not a thing

another example - LMFAO vs "Lauren Bennett and Goonrock"

yeah i wouldn't worry too much about charlie pluth becoming a thing

i dunno Sam Smith primed America for more simpering cry-singing

charlie puth is way more marketable (and in more of a catbird seat, in that song) than lauren bennett or goonrock

also more punchable

oh i wasn't saying charlie puth is or isn't a potential thing (i think i'll let info about this guy come to me rather than seek it out), i was just trying to clarify how one could be "not a thing" and on a #1 hit

oh god i just looked up charlie puth on google

damn my curiosity

the lead singer from Magic! doesn't seem to have become a thing so lets not overestimate america's long term taste for punchable things

charlie bluth

i still haven't ruled out the possibility that Charlie Puth is just a hilarious Andy Samberg character

while i'm proud america has shunned at least three potential follow-up singles to rude i wouldn't count those dudes out until the follow-up album tanks

if they were just some lucky nudniks who stumbled onto a novelty hit i'd say they were toast, but the singer is a successful pro songwriter and pretty immersed in the biz. this feels like saying candyman in the mirror, but there's still the possibility of "featuring Nasri" becoming a thing.

aaaaaaaaaagh no no no no shut up shut up

*says it three times while looking at billboard on my computer, annoying lyrical hook comes out of screen and kills me*