Importance is slippery, but I think worth talking about -- if only to broaden the notion of what counts as important. (e.g., I was glad "You Don't Own Me" was given so much credit for importance in the Lesley Gore obits.) I don't love Blackheart because it's important, I love it because it blows my mind and sounds amazing on the stereo. But I do also think it's important, and oughta be recognized as such.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
I wasn't looking at you, tipsy, but at the suspicion that Sullivan's album is good but lacks the marquee value of D'Angelo or Kendrick Lamar's. btw listen to it!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:36 (nine years ago) link
Haha I was just thinking that I need to. I will!
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:44 (nine years ago) link
I didn't say it wasn't important, I said it wasn't high-concept.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
reality show / blackheart / black messiah / to pimp a butterfly all amazing high-concept albums (reality show more subtly so) that i love and it's a shame that both jazmine and dawn aren't getting the kind of broad critical raves that D and Kendrick are.
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Jazmine and Dawn are getting ignored by many critics. Dawn, in large part part because for some reason some media sites act as if they can't find a smal indie project like hers; and I guess Sullivan is somehow just cursed with being r'n'b and not "high concept" "indie/artsy" r'n'b . But you all know that.
Some of that attention for the likes of D'angelo and now Lamar almost makes me want to be contrarian and ignore both of them for just being crit-bait. Former Voice writer Greg Tate who doesn't do much writing these days, suddenly penning a Lamar review in Rolling Stone seems typical (and I have long loved Tate's writing)-- jazz elements check; spoken word check; P-funk aspects check; socio-political lyrics check. I bet he likes the Sullivan one too, or would if he heard it, but will anyone let him write about it without high concept aspects or retro signifiers?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
That's what I was getting at in my post, but let's be clear: Kendrick Lamar draws clicks, Jazmine Sullivan doesn't.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:24 (nine years ago) link
Sadly true.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
Agreed -- and btw having caught up on the Jazmine Sullivan album, I am totally on board with it, great record. Even in a perfect world, the D'Angelo and Kendrick albums have some built-in hype generators that are going to eclipse a lot of other worthy things. It's just jarring that so much of what's lauded about those two -- ambition, adventurousness, musicianship, personal vision, sheer talent -- is also true of the Dawn/Jazmine albums that you'd hope there would at least be a little more notice.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
#BlackWomenVisionariesMatter
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
I love Dawn's album but it feels diffuse in a way that Kendrick's doesn't. I listen to it way WAY more than D'Angelo, though.
― DJP, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
built-in hype generators
well it's exactly these that don't get interrogated, isn't it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
The fact that #ATellTaleHeart is so quiet/nmastered means I can rly only listen to it in bed at night, which is maybe actually to its advantage
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
*u
A very underrated record even in the context of Dawn's discography IMO
― Tim F, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link
It's gorgeous so far. Listened to DJP's playlist off the Kendrick thread and fell for it hard enough to want to listen to everything chronologically
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 17 April 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
you know, I've never actually heard it
― DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
(A Tell Tale Heart I mean, I've heard all the songs I listed on the Kendrick thread lol)
― DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link
a tell tale heart is amazing but i would return to it so much more if the sooooound quaaaaaality was proper
― lex pretend, Friday, 17 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
http://www.datpiff.com/Dawn-Richard-A-Tell-Tale-Heart-mixtape.198526.html
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
There's a sexy sense of fun on Tell Tale Heart (like on Hey, Vibrate, Biggest Fan) which I kinda miss on what's followed, great as it is
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
*Starts a kickstarter for a proper remastering of a Tell Tale Haert*
― 龜, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:04 (nine years ago) link
Yes pls. A cpl of tracks're actually kinda disconcerting to listen to w the way the levels peak/fade
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:08 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjgpZSmUVw
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:41 (nine years ago) link
<iframe width='460' height='259' src='http://cache.vevo.com/assets/html/embed.html?video=QMGR31508582&autoplay=0' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link
(or however Vevo embeds work with BB code)
That's a vid for Calypso btw.
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT1ZtAo31J4
― 龜, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
Thank you!
― Jeff W, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link
"adderall/sold" prob my soty
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 1 May 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
yeah, could be. the autotune acapella into guitar gets me every single time
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 May 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
This ain't rock'n'roll…
http://uk.complex.com/music/2015/05/dawn-richard-new-song-premiere-genocide?utm_campaign=musictw%2Bsocialflow%2B05%2B2015&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
This ain't Dawn Richard any more either, apparently.
― Jeff W, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm kinda scared of her working more with the fade to mind crew tbh. "honest" is really good but i fear them overly influencing her sound/aesthetic
― j. winters (josh), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
that ship has sailed
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
she's working with fade to mind crew? Fuck. And the triangle... Still love her, tho, but this Isn't good news. At all.
― Nourry, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Apparently "Calypso" is very ~~divisive~~ among her fans.
― The Reverend, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
dawn richards is not someone who i would second guess artistically right now; she's driving in her own lane new song is interesting, but very much a demo
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 May 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, May 4, 2015 2:35 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the song or the video? always liked the song in the context of the album, think it stands out in a good way
― some dude, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
i love the "calypso" video, very bizarre and arresting
― dyl, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 08:29 (nine years ago) link
"calypso" video is way too on the nose w/r/t stuff i've seen in björk and fka twigs videos i think; rev did you mean the song or the video are divisive?
she was working with the fade to mind crew at the same time as she was making blackheart so i hope she can still stay away from their lane
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 10:33 (nine years ago) link
no comment on the triangle
song. half the comments on the youtube are complaints from fans who don't get it
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 07:47 (nine years ago) link
surely her actual fans have had the song for 5 months already tho? i can see why it'd be divisive to casuals or the danity kane fandom remnant but oh well
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 07:52 (nine years ago) link
Titans x new single James Dean
https://youtu.be/qUmi3F5gau0
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
this video RULES
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
i almost missed this because of wacky name change but she's playing PS1's Warm Up series in August with Matias Aguayo and Murlohttp://www.eventbrite.com/e/warm-up-matias-aguayo-kingdom-dwn-murlo-false-witness-tickets-17086988643
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
James Dean is pretty good!
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
i'm glad the "titan" video goes back to her dance roots, but at the same time, i'm sad we came /this close/ to a "warriors" vid and didn't get it. "james dean" is good tho
― j. winters (josh), Wednesday, 27 May 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
"james dean" is amazing
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
so what does one wear to a Dawn Richard gig?
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
You dress well.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link