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I have idea whether you clould generalize

= I have no idea whether you could generalize

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

It should also probably be noted here that I just realized this week that the Starz' song "It's A Riot" (from their 1978 Colliseum Rock album, most recently heard by me on their 2006 Live in Cleveland CD) is sort of answer song to Rodney Atkins's "Cleaning This Gun," almost three decades before the fact, seeing as how the singer stands up to the dated daughter's shotgun-wielding dad and all.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link

(And White Stripes' "Conquest" is of course doused in retro kitsch schtick as well -- which oddly, is probably more what I find irritating, inasmuch as anything does, about the song than any performance mauling. Jack really sounds like he's acting on this one. But I am probably contradicting myself.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

And nobody will believe this, maybe, but I actually called the song "bullfighter" music here before looking at its video (even though no bulls are actually mentioned in the lyrics, to my knowledge.) Until now, I'd only listened to it on the album. (Also, there may not be any actual mariachi per se' in it. But it's still in that general neighborhood.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Sirens rock like mothers (and better than the Mothers), so there's a sense in which they always can play, very very well, but whether everything else goes kerblooey varies from song to song; and when stuff does go kerblooey, which seems to be deeper than just singing or playing out of tune, though maybe that's it (but I'm not that hyper-sensitive to out-of-tune; the Shirelles weren't always in tune, James Chance was almost always out-of-tune (those are just two examples), don't think it hurt the former's music at all, did hurt the latter, but not critically), the force of the music is weakened considerably too. "Rock 'N' Roll Preacher" seems the most together in pitch (and least demanding) and is the one that rocks the hardest.

But yeah, I am being inconsistent and need to invoke the Boney Joan Rule (i.e., escape clause), I suppose.

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

My original sense of the White Stripes "doing it wrong" probably had more to do with Meg than with Jack, actually. And you're right there's a tradition of that within rock which (at least on and off) makes it a tradition within pop, too.

I do think that the White Stripes are getting worse, and that I'm also getting tired of them, but it isn't like they've fundamentally changed.

Original version of "Conquest" is Patti Page, who's not the most galvanizing singer in the history of music. I'd assumed there were scads of other versions, since the song sounded very familiar the second I heard the White Stripes version, and I'm not exactly a Patti Page aficionado, but allmusic.com only lists the Page and the White Stripes versions as being by Cory Robbins. (When I saw "Robbins" in the credits I though Marty too, since he plausibly could have written it.)

Anyway, I like the White Stripes version; there is one spot where Jack's not just a little off, he tries to rise with the melody and misses by a note or more, it sounds like a car running into the opposite lane. Obv. he could have corrected this by resinging, and chose not to.

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

The Patti Page version

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Interesting that Xhuxk is kind of recapitulating my own discovery of "Because Of You," my starting off thinking the track was fairly standard (I way underrated it) in both its romantic you-left-me-broken theme and its mainstream balladry. Anthony and I talked about this a bit on Rolling Country in December 2005-January 2006. Anthony'd said that he'd been watching Kelly Clarkson on MTV, "the video that looked like some lost melodrama, all blonde on black, with heartbreak and a sort of undersung sadness/meloncholy... i dont remember the song, but how it was sung was more country and less girl singer, more lambert and less lohan..." He'd meant "Because Of You," which I claimed could easily be country with or even without a few tweaks, and Anthony said, "the best proof of its country tendencies is its obsessive seeking of solution wrt domestic melodrama."

But then I actually listened to the words and went "Oh." Except my "oh"s are lengthier than other people's, this being just an excerpt:

I think it is out of bounds for country. Which is to say that though I can imagine Faith singing in this style she probably wouldn't go for this melody or these words; and though I can imagine LeAnn going for both the melody and these words and totally nailing it in performance, she'd probably decide that it would be bad for her country career at this point to release it.

First the words: it isn't just that they're unremittingly despairing, since you could say the same about country classics like "He Stopped Loving Her Today" and "The End of the World." But those don't feel like despair, or they take a different approach to despair, or something. (I've always considered "End of the World" a beautiful, sweet delight.) In general, country's "life falls apart" story belongs to its standard romance cycle: "My heart is broken, now I'm drunk, now I'm going to fuck up again and again," is mined for a lot of rue and a lot of comedy. It's something country is comfortable with. Whereas "the relationship was fundamentally pathological and has left me unfit to live" is not standard for country, even if it's fine on Oprah and adult contemporary and Radio Disney...

Note in 2008: So what about that John Conlee song where he ends up in a mental institution? Well, those lyrics are just "He Stopped Loving Her Today" set in the booby hatch. OK, but isn't "He Stopped Loving Her Today" kind of pathological too? Er, um, no, well yes, of course, but country music doesn't seem to know this, and what took John to the nuthouse wasn't that he obsessively continued to love for the rest of his life, which apparently is quite sane (cf. Conlee's "Miss Emily's Picture") but that he was suffering from sorrow-induced amnesia, where he was forgetting that he still loved her or that he even knew her. Oh, and I'm hearing a question from the peanut gallery. "How is the relationship in 'Gunpowder and Lead' or the one in 'Independence Day' not fundamentally pathological, leaving the characters unfit to live, in fact leaving some of them dead?" Er, that's just being abused and, you know, killing people and stuff. Sorta not getting over something.

Look, I'm making a generalization, and no generalization is perfect, OK?

Further down that thread I talked about "Independence Day" and said, "Its despair and vengeance seem within country's ken (and aren't divorced from murder-ballad conventions, though the song is certainly something different). Not that it's a simple song. It doesn't pretend to answer the questions it raises." Maybe if I'd said why its despair and vengeance seem within country's ken I wouldn't still be puzzling about it now. If I knew why. Anyway, I think I'm right about the despair in "Because Of You" being different from the despair of "Independence Day." I just don't know why I'm right. I mean, I feel that I'm right, damn it! But the whole point here is to talk about legacy, which "Independence Day" hints at by having the song being narrated by the daughter of the abused mom and abusing dad's but then avoids by not saying what eventually happens to the little girl, except that she's shuttled off to the county home. I think that "Independence Day" implies, like a lot of country, oh, this is what some people are like, but it adds, maybe fairly new for country at the time of its release, that it's not necessarily all right or the permanent state of things.

And Xhuxk, you actually mentioned Hank Jr. back then, too, and I said to myself, "You know, I really need to go back and listen to a lot of Hank Jr." So, I really need to go back and listen to a lot of Hank Jr. Someone mentioned Dolly as well, and I'm almost as ignorant there. My guess is that even if the legacies in their songs are horrific - are they? - they still take place within an overarching sense of right and wrong, or this is what our world is like, or some such. And I'm not saying that "Because Of You" refutes that overarching sense, just that it lacks an overarching sense itself. (I'm just repeating myself now.) (Now?)

(Of course, as I said above, if "Because Of You" crossed some country boundary, then you'd think someone'd have made a big deal of this, which no one has, as far as I know.)

I do think there's something more haunting in the melody to "Because Of You" than a Diane Warren would usually go for. Apparently, the initial version of the song was written by Kelly at something like age 16, then at the time of Breakaway she brought it to the two ex-Evanescence guys to rework (one of whom she now would never wish bad things but she does not wish him well, and she hopes the ring he gave his wife turns her finger green, etc.), who maybe added that slight air of ghostliness.

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

By the way, what's Roy Kasten doing these days? (I was reminded, looking back at those old posts, that I haven't seen him here lately.)

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

According to the ever reliable world-wide-web, the original version of "Conquest" was performed by Corky Robbins & Johnny Bosworth.

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

From Billboard

Country, Pop Stars Set For Livestock Show

January 07, 2008, 11:00 AM ET

Ray Waddell, Nashville

Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus and Rascal Flatts are among the 21 artists slated to play the Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo at Reliant Park from March 3-22.

The Rodeo has long been one of the premier live country music events in the country and has increasingly broadened into more diverse entertainment offerings. In addition to Cyrus, John Fogerty, John Legend and Fergie represent non-country acts booked into the Rodeo for 2008.

The complete talent lineup is McGraw (3), Hill (4), Kevin Fowler (5), Alan Jackson (6), Legend (7), Martina McBride (8), Montana/Cyrus (9), Sugarland (10), Rascal Flatts (11), Fogerty (12), Toby Keith (13), Clay Walker (14), Brad Paisley (15), Duelo/Los Horoscopos de Durango (16), Miranda Lambert (17), Big & Rich (18), Fergie (19), Dierks Bentley (20), Pat Green (21) and Brooks & Dunn (22).

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Btw, have there been recent (or even not-so-recent) instances of pop songs crossing over to country radio rather than (as with "Because Of You") getting there on a cover version? What I mean here isn't something like the Bon Jovi/Jennifer Nettles duet, or material we think of as being pop, but of a track that hit first in pop and then went country? My feeling is that country radio isn't too strict about the sound of something but is very strict about the performer being a country performer - or accompanied by a country performer, or doing a country album. Which is to say I'm not at all shocked that country stations aren't playing "See You Again."

(Elvis may have had songs that went pop then country, or went both simultaneously. And maybe Bobby Bare had a few things that were released pop even before they were released country. I don't know.)

Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Los Lonely Boys' "Heaven" crossed over to #46 on the country charts, after going pop, a couple years ago. (I know it because I just researched it over the weekend for a long article I've been working on.) But #46 isn't all that high, obviously. And off hand I don't know if Mellencamp has gone higher than that. (Does the Waite/Krauss "Missing You" count? But that was never actually a pop hit, was it?)

Because of you I never stray too far from the sidewalk/Because of you I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt/Because of you I try my hardest just to forget everything/Because of you I don't know how to let anyone else in/Because of you I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty/Because of you I am afraid."

Actually, I suppose this could be sung about a fucked-up romantic relationship as much as a fucked-up parent-and-child relationship, come to think of it. And one could easily be "so young" in either.

I have no idea if Tom T Hall's "Pay No Attention to Alice" is fundamentally pathological enough for Frank or not, but I'll quote its lyrics here anyway:

Pay no attention to Alice, she's drunk all the time,hooked on that wine,bunches of it, And it ruined her mind.
Pay no attention to Alice, they say she's a sot, sane she is not, but she loves it, And it's all she's got.

She made that apple pie from a memory, Made them biscuits from a recollection that she had.
She cooked that chicken too long but she don't know that, Oh what the hell, it ain't too bad.

(CHORUS)

Don't talk about the war, I was a coward,
Talk about fishing and all the good times raisin' hell.
Empty that one down, we'll get another one,
It's getting late, you might as well.

Though we ram your car into a ditch, man don't sweat it,
I know Ben down at the shell station and he'll get it out.
Alice, put your ashes in that ashtray, I swear woman,
you're gonna burn down the house.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Re up thread, in the last week of the year I finally caught up with the Gore Gore Girls and thought it was a good to great album. Way too late to even consider doing anything with though. Garage band that comes down on the good side of execution and production. Most of that genre wears me out after two listens. It has traces of revved up honky tonk in it.

Concerning glam, the mold was set in large part by production and arrangement choices. Mike Leander for Gary Glitter, Chapman and Chinn for Sweet, and Chas Chandler with Slade. Those choices emphasized the pop song, the block chording, the rhythmic puncuation -- handclaps and so on. Dynamics where the band doubles its energy in various parts of the song to give you that surge of excitement even in a bold delivery.

Sweet didn't like it, wanted to write more and more of their own material and show they were musicians. Except when they were musicians they were less captivating. Didn't help that the singer got in a fight in which someone punched his throat, ruining some of his ability for the rest of their duration. So while I like their hard rock/metal album -- the one with the big tonearm on the cover, it's not the same ...

With Slade, even when Chas Chandler wasn't producing, they didn't get away from the idea that their tunes ought to explode, as opposed to telegraphing how clever and sophisticated musicians they were. Which they were, or at least Jimmy Lea on bass was, and that's pretty much proved on In Flame, the soundtrack album to their movie. Nobody's Fools, their last in American on their first run, also spans a gamut of Americana that most American bands of the time chose not to play. (Brit music hall, too.) On In Flame they also showed quite an ability to get at some of the essence of late period Beatles. Plus they were able to turn the Hokey Pokey -- a wedding staple that triggers the gag reflex -- into a real good short rock tune. The Sirens ought to cover it some day.

And I didn't have any trouble with the execution and performances on the Sirens' More is More. The record's an improvement from their first, which wasn't bad either.

Gorge, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Pathology and morbidity have always been a big part of country music, in a lotta ways (also forensic examinations of relationships etc. As far back as what Rodney Crowell calls the "dead baby and bad tooth" ballads of his Appalachia-to-Arkansas-to-Port-Huston heritage Poverty (what was that book, One Third Of A Nation), and when there are more jobs, the travelling, work-drink cycle, and maybe you get past that a bit, but still both those phases have some lasting, passed-along effect (and not like they don't co-exist, like title-pawn and other "money stores" around here, among the trasnplanted auto industry-related offshoots) So concerns with normalcy can get a bit obsessive, even in Burbtown, vs. the hungry hordes (anxiety over/dependence on los illegales just a recent part of that)(not too mention sweatshops just over the border and further afield, and those who know how much we depend on Chinese buying US Gov debt, just another part of the debt market, economy of debt on every level, speaking of effects passed along, whatever the awareness/acknoledgement of morphology). Braddock's "He Stopped Loving Her Today" described by Music Row mainstay Alice Randall as exemplary "dramatic stasis"(and everyday Southern Gothic, pathological yeah)Sorry of all this is too obvious; I'll read the prev posts more carefully when I have more time. Some interesting folkie stuff on PTW today, incl me on The Battle of Land and Sea, incl discussion of their take on "Harden My Heart," although that's not the featured/download/stream here:
http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=1294

dow, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Just heard Jewel's country track "Stronger Woman," and it's terribly boring. The voice - weak and girly, sort of - could be a bubblecountry good thing if she had the verve of Alecia Elliott, which she most certainly doesn't on this track. The words are platitudes about her being her own best friend, believing in herself. An OK line about wanting to be the woman she'd want her daughter to be, but in general the lyrics are crap and the music is mediocre.

Don, I think that Battle Of Land And Sea woman could be OK if the music didn't add all that "weird" insecure indie echo mysteriousness and she didn't sing with that Feist passive-aggressive delicacy. At first, hearing the tune, I was wondering why you rated it so low (7); then I wondered why you were rating it so high, so 7 is probably right.

Frank Kogan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link

No, just listened to that Battle Of Land And Sea track again, and 7 is too high, as by the end of the song I wanted to strangle the woman to put her out of her misery and to end my own.

Frank Kogan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

So, here's my column on "Because Of You" (a lot of which was cut and pasted from this thread):

The Rules Of The Game #26: Because Of You I Am Afraid

Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Weird thing is that if you see the video of the Reba and Kelly version you can't really make sense of what's happening if you don't know the backstory provided by the original Kelly video; so you have to figure out that in the Reba version Kelly is playing Reba's mother, whom the grown-up Reba is going into the past to observe in her travails. (And in the Reba video there's no domestic violence for a child to observe.)

Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 January 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I also realized that two of the albums I voted for in Pazz & Jop and Idolator in 2007 -- the ones by Gore Gore Girls and Sirens, both of which bands Frank has a fondness for, at least -- use a retro schtick that helps their rock'n'roll more than it hurts.

I've never even heard the latest Gore Gore Girls. They've made my Pazz & Jop twice in the past. I thought the original lineup* was the one to put the most motion into the music. And actually the retroness may put a limitation on them, which is that there's something safely in the past and nonvirulent in the whole horror movie/old rock 'n' roll "wildness." Not that I can even imagine a way for rock to be anything but nonvirulent at this point (maybe some L.A.-style sleazesters can pull it off), and since I basically like the Gore Gore Girls, I wouldn't know if an alternative approach would work - something that drew as much on the girl groups and the Stooges but with less, I don't know, reliance on the old signifiers, maybe? I would have liked to hear "All Grown Up," an old Greenwich-Barry number that's one of my favorite tracks on a previous Gore-Gore EP (and I gather it's on the latest album too), with updated words that a modern teenager could sing, rather than a past's portrayal of a past teen life; of course, updated lyrics might make 'em seem emo.

*The lineup on their first album Strange Girls, anyway.

Frank Kogan, Friday, 11 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Battle of Land and Sea is all about battles, seeds of self-destruction and over-taxed will, the baad gene of endurance (and yeah art-damage) like I said about Bettye's character--maybe this wasn't the best track to pick, out of context(which in terms of recombinant identites, insomniac imagizm, in conflict, reminds me of Lynch's Mulholland Drive), but like I say in the review, I get the power vs. authority hidden battle in there--the song knows more than the voice does--but you don't like that kind of vocal approach anyway

dow, Friday, 11 January 2008 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Although not *all* about liking, o course: I don't like Flannery O'Connor worth a shit, because she seems to like to stick pins in her characters, in the name of Jesus of course, but I know she's first-rate and I'll read her complete works if she doesn't stick too many pins in me first. And I might get sick of The Battle of Land and Sea a lot sooner, but not so far (though I keep my distance from the persona, she's trouble)

dow, Friday, 11 January 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I would have liked to hear "All Grown Up"...with updated words that a modern teenager could sing

Well, seeing as how who the Gore Gore Girls' great version mainly made me think of was my daughter, who is 18 this year rather than 40 or 50 years ago (and who likes the Gore Gore Girls, though not as much as she likes, say, the Shangri-Las or Chuck Berry last time I checked, but definitely more than she likes Hannah Montana), I have no idea why Frank thinks the song couldn't be sung by a "modern teenager." I'm not saying that said teenager would necessarily be Aly or AJ or Miley or Skye or Taylor, but they're hardly the only teenagers out there. And actually, I can imagine Skye or Miley or Taylor singing the song, with conviction -- and with humor, which is part of what the song's ponytails and high hair and high heels give you. And I'm not sure whether, with teen-pop artists in general, they wouldn't necessarily improve if they sang it. They'd certainly rock harder, and quite possibly catchier than they do now, though maybe there are teen-pop bands who rock as hard as the Gore Gores do. If so, I want to hear them! (That said, I ranked Taylor's and Aly & AJ's and Miranda Lambert's albums higher than the Gore Gores in my top ten -- not saying the latter are perfect, either; I agree, their earlier lineup had more swing, and their '07 album could possibly have had even more kick if they'd had the budget for more professional production, which I'm not so sure Amy Surdu would opt for even if some major label gave the chance to do so, so, right, the Gore Gores' aesthetic can be limiting -- and I'm not saying the Gore Gores couldn't necessarily "update" the song somehow. Just not sure really sure what they'd gain from it.)

xhuxk, Friday, 11 January 2008 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of Detroit, I respect the 3-song EP by this dude Billybob (who compares himself to Hank Jr and Eric Church on his cdbaby page), though I like the fact that he calls himself "heavy metal country" more than I like his music, which I wish had more heavy metal in it. But it does have good keyboard parts in it -- best in the third song, where the piano has more Jerry Lee boogie woogie, and which features an unfriendly woman like all his songs seem to. And I wish his Kentucky woman song was as good as Neil Diamond's, though I do like the (maybe unintentional!) pun in the line (which I may not quote exactly right) "Kentucky woman makes whiskey in the hills/Kentucky woman I'm jealous of her still." Has anybody ever written a song about being jealous of a whiskey still before? Also, when he sings about going slow through the snow, I think of Gordon Lightfoot for some reason. (Gordon makes me think of "snow", though I'm not sure whether he ever actually sang about it, despite November's bitter winds on Lake Gitche Gumee). The third song, which involves entering a bar and ordering a gin and soda and being jumped, which results in a shooting of some sort, is his still best though. And still not that good -- the singing is just way too rigid; the production nonexistent. So, a demo, but an okay one.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/billybob

xhuxk, Friday, 11 January 2008 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Er...actually, wait, I meant "Hollywood" is the best song: Listed first on the myspace page, though it's third on the actual CD; "Wichita Snow" leads off the CD. Not as good as Jack White's Wichita song, much less Glen Campbell's. And "Hollywood" (listening to it now) still sounds kind of clunky and cardboard, somehow. Though I bet Eric Church could pull it off.

xhuxk, Friday, 11 January 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, Billybob is not from Detroit, duh. Not sure what gave me the idea he was -- Probably I got him confused with some other recent cdbaby country guy.

Meanwhile. Most country songs on Dust-to-Digital Records's Black Mirror: Reflections In Global Musics (1918-1955) compilation: Pipe Major Forsyth's "Mallorca" (from Northumbria-England -- East Northumbria High, maybe??) and Patrick J. Touhey's "Drowsy Maggie" (from Ireland), both of which are excellent. Other, less country, favorites of mine include Thewaprasit Ensemble's "Phleeng Khuk Phaat, Part 2" (from Thailand, just a weird repetitive Gamelan-like drone); Gong Belaaloewana Bali's "Kebyar Ding, I" (from Bali, very minimalist, and probably even more Gamelan-like, being from Bali and all); Paul Penjda Ensemble's "Ngo Mebou Melane" (from Cameroun, and super catchy); Hutzl Ukrananian Ensemble's "Welsini Meloydi" (from Hutsul-Ukraine, which may or may not be where Gogol Bordello's Eugene Hutz's ancestors came from, but this one partakes in an eerie use of space nonetheless); M. Nguyen Van Minh-Con's "Nam Nhi-tu" (from Vietnam with cool plinking sounds); Edwin Fisher's "Handel's Chaconne, Teil I" (from Switzerland/Germany, and all the Handel I need to own probably or maybe not); Sathoukhru Lukkhamkeow's "Nakhone Prayer" (from Laos, great vocal drone); and Sinkou & Kouran Kin's "Songs in Grief" (from Japan, and highly reminscent of "Don't Kyoko Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand in the Snow" by Yoko Ono, I swear to God.)

I probably spelled lots of those words wrong.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Most country song on Chingo Bling's 2007 They Can't Deport Us All is "Do the Lasso" (rhymes with El Paso, don't be an asshole, let your ass show, do it like the winner of my last show), which is not as good as his previous hillbilly music parody "Pop Tailgate...Wooooooooo!" But my favorite track on his current CD is "They Can't Deport Us All" itself, "Werk That (Funky Manosa)" (for the Manu Dibango influence), probably followed in some order by the partly screw-chopped "Still Goin Down" featuring Fat Pat, "In Case They Forget" featuring Latasha, "Lil' Marvin", the Cheech Y Chong worthy skitlet "Ese Lil Choco Strikes Again," and "Tirra Te Patrazz" featuring Ice. At least according to my notes. On the cover Chingo is wearing a cowboy hat, and jumping over a concertina fence with his pet chicken. An immigration officer is on his trail.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

(I meant my favorite tracks are the title cut and the Dibango rhythmed one, if that wasn't clear.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

(Also, in my Gore Gore post a couple posts up, delete both times I say "necessarily" in your head, since the word confuses what I was trying to say):

I'm not sure whether, with teen-pop artists in general, they wouldn't improve if they sang it.

and

I'm not saying the Gore Gores couldn't "update" the song somehow.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link

>>and I'm not saying the Gore Gores couldn't necessarily "update" the >>song somehow

Production choices, guitar amps, guest stars-of-the-moment brought in for the sake of the name, auto-tune on the vocal, producer, use of ringers to play parts not deemed executed radio/TV friendly pro enough. Way more 21st century compression until it blares out of the player at you, everything as loud as everything else. It's mostly a money and influence thing, what you would get if your Top Tenners chose to cover the tunes.

Because of this, it's one of the reasons I can only listen to modern country records for so long, even the ones I like, before I have to take a time-out with something 70's-80's or poverty case lo-fi.

I suspect one of the reasons the Gore Gore Girls are liked here, perhaps subconsciously, is precisely because their latest record -does not- have all that aural super-folderol on it while still managing to get a bit beyond the usual poverty-case garage rock delivery.

Gorge, Saturday, 12 January 2008 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm probably somewhere between where George and Frank stand on the big-budget production issue (and less articulate than either of them about the specifics of it). I mean, I can think of many instances (especially in country's case) where a studio budget seems to give the music more energy; and I do think there was something muffled about last year's Gore Gore Girls album, as much as I liked it -- even compared to their first two albums. But I do agree with George that, if major label sparkle is all I got, that wouldn't be nearly enough. (Just played the Clorox Girls album from last year, and have the Times New Viking album on now, and I can't honestly say that either would be improved if they were "cleaned up". Auto-tune wouldn't make them more tuneful, either.)

I also want to mention to Frank that, right, "go on a date" (one of the quaint old-style lines in "All Grown Up") is probablyu not how most teenagers today talk. At least not in every day conversation, with no irony meant in the phrase. But since when did (1) teeangers talk with no irony and (2) music have to mirror every day conversation? The Gore Gore Girls are playing dress up, sure. So do lots of teens! And that's a song about dressing up in the first place! It's part of rock'n'roll, or whatever you want to call it. There's a lot more than "direct emotion" at stake here; reducing it to that would bore me stiff.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link

"go on a date"...is probably not how most teenagers today talk

Unless they do talk that way (and I bet plenty do, whether they see humor in the phrase or not.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 January 2008 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, I have a fantasy where I'm the impresario of a club show where Amy Surdu (Gore Gores) and James Williamson (best version of the Stooges) are the guitar players in the house band that accompanies all the performers in a Pop Revue that features Blog 27, Lindsay Lohan, Ashlee Simpson, and Britney Spears in a one-off gig. (Part of the fantasy is that I get Britney and Lindsay to do a duet on "Stars Vomit Coffee Shop." They are the only two singers in the world I would want to do it.) Wouldn't mind hearing those singers accompanied by guitars that are clawing their way through several walls of concrete.

Or if Amy is unavailable, I could get J.C. Martin of Black Angel.

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 13 January 2008 04:43 (sixteen years ago) link

TMI Frank

Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 13 January 2008 05:07 (sixteen years ago) link

How so?

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 13 January 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I have no idea what "TMI" even stands for.

Robbie Fulks tries to rap, about people who died in 2007; not as funky or funny as Jim Carrol or Adam Sandler -- what does Xgau see in this guy again?

http://cdbaby.com/cd/fulksrobbie

xhuxk, Monday, 14 January 2008 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link

PAUL THORN - Not hating this guy; may even catch him live when he plays in New York this week. But his kinda deep white soul strain (aiming for Van Morrison via John Hiatt maybe? Unless I'm missing somebody obvious en route) (er... late Springsteen?) is stodgy by definition. The words about Holiday Inns and flat tires (outside of Tupelo, but just his luck, at the first door he knocks for help there's a pretty and willing young lady there) are no special surprise, at least inasmuch as they draw me in; maybe there's more interesting stuff I'm not picking up on. Sometimes the groove recalls Jackson Browne circa Running on Empty (without melodies or singing to match unfortunately), and "A Long Way To Tupelo" actually builds to some healthy guitars (though Hiatt at his new-wave-era best had more boogie in his sound, as I recall, and Thorn rarely heats up so much). Anyway, the guy has potential, I guess, and if somebody claims I'm missing something, I'll go back and listen more to see what, exactly:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34636681

xhuxk, Monday, 14 January 2008 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Thorn's 2006 album was okay, nothing to write home about.

Frank I'm just kiddin' ya.

Dimension 5ive, Monday, 14 January 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh wait...Too Much Information, duh! (I still don't get it.)

My Amanda Shaw review from Billboard, fwiw:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/content_display/reviews/albums/e3i5d4ee6c1f9636327b152d68a94061ee1

xhuxk, Monday, 14 January 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Brandi Shearer covers this old Jeannie C. Reilly song, "Oh, Singer" and it's good. "I want to know how people lived before the big corporations," she sings to a perfectly not-really-country but country backing. Close to Dark is probably as good as the retro-jazz-loungeapolitan genre has ever gotten, beating the hell outta k.d. lang or any of those Madeleine Pie-rouge kind of things. Larry Klein produced this and it's got plenty of fuzzed-out and just-arcane-enough guitar for that fusiod sheen on stuff like "Swampland," which also beats Tom Waits or, Amy LaVere. In fact in retrospect this is the kind of record Amy LaVere would make if she sang like Shearer, who is impressively floating-contralto and superbly full-bodied yet ironic, sorta like Sarah Vaughan meets k.d. lang in Norah Jones' liquor cabinet with a picture of Bobbie Gentry on the wall in there somewhere. "Congratulations" is all about a phone call Brandi makes to someone in the small town she has left, and compared to most retro-Americana-diva-country it's miles ahead. The arrangements are really varied and the songs, mostly by BS, are really about how Brandi is a "city girl now" and cannot go home. She's got a big voice that built-in martini-noir ache and she knows how to use it, which one can't blame her for, but the overall vibe is one of forebearance, thoughtfulness, sexy asceticism. The people who made this record really knew what they were doing and Brandi fits in with no sweat.

whisperineddhurt, Monday, 14 January 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Don forwarded me this yesterday -- Interesting; guess I need to check out that Josh Turner song:

(Nashville, Tenn. - January 14th, 2008) For the fourth consecutive year, Marco Promotions' Club Connection surveyed over 200 country nightclubs and dance instructors nationwide to determine the most played and most requested club and dance titles of the past 12 months.

The fight for the number-one spot on Club Connection's 2007 Top Club and Dance Songs chart was a close battle between two songs that ran away from the rest of the pack. In the end, Josh Turner's "Firecracker" narrowly beat LeAnn Rimes' "Nothin' Better To Do," finishing the year first and second respectively. Both songs are current singles.

Three songs that were seemingly made for the club scene claim the third, fourth and fifth places on Club Connection's chart. In third place, Blake Shelton is raising glasses with "The More I Drink." Trace Adkins is giving club-goers confidence in their pick-up lines and dating techniques with "I Got My Game On," ranking fourth. Rounding out the top five is Cowboy Troy in his effort to get all the ladies on the dance floor, "Hick Chicks."

Current CMA Male Vocalist of the Year Brad Paisley landed at Club Connection's number six with his number-one hit "Ticks." In spite of doing repair jobs and selling turnips off the back of a truck for a living, relationship-challenged guys head to the club to find hope and reassurance in the seventh and eighth spots on the Club Connection chart. Toby Keith's "High Maintenance Woman" charts at number seven, and Billy Currington's number-one song "Good Directions" lands at number eight.

Country newcomers round out Club Connection's top ten for 2007. Luke Bryan's debut single "All My Friends Say" from his album "I'll Stay Me" takes the number nine position. Finishing up the top ten is Rissi Palmer's "Country Girl," which entered the club scene late in the year, but still managed a top-ten spot on the club chart.

Steve Holy's "Brand New Girlfriend," the number one club song for 2006, continued its popularity in 2007 to take the number one re-current position. Rodney Atkins's 2006 number one song "If You're Going Through Hell" earned the second highest re-current rotation for 2007.

Club Connection's Top Ten Club And Dance Hits Of 2007 are:

1. Josh Turner, "Firecracker"
2. LeAnn Rimes, "Nothin' Better To Do"
3. Blake Shelton, "The More I Drink"
4. Trace Adkins, "I Got My Game On"
5. Cowboy Troy, "Hick Chicks"
6. Brad Paisley, "Ticks"
7. Toby Keith, "High Maintenance Woman"
8. Billy Currington, "Good Directions"
9. Luke Bryan, "All My Friends Say"
10. Rissi Palmer, "Country Girl"

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I really like Rissi.

Bob Frank's Red Neck, Blue Collar's backing doesn't do a lot for me, altho it features some great Memphis musicians. But he's a good storyteller and "Judas Iscariot" is a pretty cool talking blues featuring Jesus, who tells Judas to "pass that pipe, I've had too much wine," and the song turns out Jesus got crucified just because Judas I. made a bet with the Romans. So Jesus gets back to his party before it's too late, and then the song has a trick ending. Some of this is sort of Red Sovine for potheads, but I like Frank's voice. And Jim Dickinson's liner notes are typically funny: "Bob went to Vietnam and Nashville. I don't know which was worse." Real working-class music, as on the excellent "Monroe, Louisiana Pipeliner's Brawl" on which he travels around and can't take his wife with him.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, one moment,would you capture it or just let it slip?

Frank Kogan, Thursday, 17 January 2008 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link

It touched my heart so much. It's such a relatable song that a lot of people can relate to. I just started cryin', and she looked at me - oh! - and she had to come over and hug my neck 'cause I was cryin'. ("Because Of You" on Oprah.)

Frank Kogan, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link

who is ashton shepherd? just heard her not-bad late-'07 kiss-off single "takin' off this pain," and noticed she has a debut album coming out in march, but mostly couldn't get over the incredible resemblance between the chorus melody of the single and the verse melody of "sweet child o' mine."

fact checking cuz, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Those Taylor Swift doing Eminem clips are a trip and a half.

Shelby Lynne doing Dusty Springfield, however, is a snoozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze and a half. ("Anyone Who Had a Heart" was not awful, though, admittedly; doubt I'll get all the way through the rest.)

New Chris Cagle album (the real one, out next month, as distinguised from the press-only promo sampler that came out late last year or didn't come out as the case may be) starts strong (first three songs) then has trouble keeping up, but that's better than if it was the other way around, I guess.

Canadian band the Road Hammers have their first U.S. fit, finally -- sort of, since "I Don't Know When To Quit" (which I haven't heard) is at #60 on the Country singles chart in Billboard this week.

Danielle Peck (whose album from last year I finally heard) sounds way too genteel and prissy, way too much like early '90s Lorrie Morgan than a pretty young country girl should in 2008. And she doesn't have a "Something In Red," I don't think. The not-so-prissily titled "Sucks To Be You" and "Kiss You On The Mouth" (as opposed to, um, where??) are probably better (and less Lorrie Morgan like) than some of the rest, though; I need to listen more.

And I sadly have no idea who Ashton Shepherd is.

xhuxk, Saturday, 19 January 2008 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Guess I need to check out that Josh Turner song

Uh, it's nothing all that interesting--even for Josh Turner. Certainly nowhere near as good as the Leann Rimes single it beat.

mulla atari, Saturday, 19 January 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, so Shelby is okay, I guess, on "Look of Love" and maybe "Breakfast in Bed"; just wish she hadn't drunk all that codiene cough syrup before hitting the recording studio. ("I Only Want To Be With You," an apparent attempt to get "jazzy," has been done better by at least 300 different people, I predict.)

Speaking of snoozzzz, I also want to register the fact here that I attempted to listen to this new Philly (I think) phreak pholk album by Ex Reverie, who are as sleepy as Shelby but without the tunes that Shelby set out so ably do de-energize, even. Though I guess "Days Away" might have a certain Kate Bush over marching drums appeal, big frigging whoop.

xhuxk, Saturday, 19 January 2008 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link

And okay okay, Shelby's "Willie and Laura Mae Jones" sounds quite ominous -- could wind up being my favorite cut, and the fact that I don't think I've ever heard the original probably doesn't hurt. Album may even be a keeper, despite my misgivings, hmmmm.

xhuxk, Saturday, 19 January 2008 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Nah, never mind, on third thought -- Defintely not a keeper. Just way too reverent and de-energized and who-cares. Only has 10 songs (a good number), but the tempos are so sluggish it still lasts way longer than it should. An okay use of space from Phil Ramone, but nothing transcendant. She does better with the two Bacharach/David songs (especially "Anyone Who Had a Heart," not like the world especially needs another version of "Anyone Who Had a Heart") than most of the rest; "Willie and Laura Mae Jones" (apparently a Tony Joe White song), on subsequent listens, sounds like a way-too-drowsy version of what's probably been a real good song in others' hands, even if I've not heard it. The old fallacy: Make the music "intense" by draining it of life. A shame -- Shelby's a good singer. Always has been. Just not sure she's ever made a good album.

xhuxk, Saturday, 19 January 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link


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