THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #58

Does "The Rainbow/Eden/Desire" by Talk Talk count?

True enough, and I knew there were going to be weird cases that are going to come down to some kind of judgment call. xp

Joanna Newsom - Emily
Joanna Newsom - Only Skin

2/20

last question: can I nominate the entirety of Fuck Buttons' Street Horrrsing under the Boris Flood provision? because all of the track divisions are seamless, & I think of the whole album as of a single piece...

OH SHIT HOW COULD I FORGET

Acid Mothers Temple - "La le lo"

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Does "The Rainbow/Eden/Desire" by Talk Talk count?

last question: can I nominate the entirety of Fuck Buttons' Street Horrrsing under the Boris Flood provision? because all of the track divisions are seamless, & I think of the whole album as of a single piece...

I'm not sure about these... with Flood, the track names are all eponymous with sequential part numbers. Street Horrrsing, seamless as it is, has different track names (and I don't think of it as a single composition, I always single out "Sweet Love for Planet Earth"). If it's any consolation, I'm probably going to nominate "Surf Solar."

I'm not familiar enough with the Talk Talk to determine whether or not it's a single composition.

I'm inclined to say that, if a continuous composition is split into multiple tracks, then it should share a title in some way to qualify -- otherwise, we'd have too many songs that merely segue into each other getting nominated (e.g. "Airbag" into "Paranoid Android").

Deathprod - Dead People's Things
Dirty Three - Deep Waters
Earth - Seven Angels
Electric Wizard - Return Trip
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
The Fall - And This Day
Studio - Life's a Beach!
Flying Saucer Attack - Popol Vuh 1
Glenn Branca - The Spectacular Commodity
Gong - Flying Teapot
Suicide - Frankie Teardrop
Harvey Milk - My Broken Heart Will Never Mend
Converge - Jane Doe
Television - Marquee Moon
Sun Kil Moon - Duk Koo Kim
Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air
Ash Ra Tempel - Amboss
King Crimson - Starless
Scott Walker - Clara
Slowdive - Rutti

20/20

Cecil Taylor European Orchestra - "Involution/Evolution"
Cecil Taylor European Orchestra - "Weight - Breath - Sounding Trees"
John Coltrane - "Om"
Bill Dixon Orchestra - "Metamorphosis 1962 - 1966"
The Who - "My Generation" (from Live at Leeds)
John Coltrane - "Spiritual" (from "Live" at the Village Vanguard

(6/20)

20/20

dead c - outside
sandy bull - blend
john fahey - requiem for molly
velvet underground - ocean (1969 vu live)
patty waters - black is the color of my true love's hair
pharoah sanders - hum-allah-hum-allah-hum-allah
baden baden free jazz orchestra - gittin' to know y'all
pärson sound - tio minuter
folke rabe - what??
faust - krautrock!
soft machine - moon in june (third)
hawkwind - orgone accumulator
dr john the night tripper - angola anthem
the fugs - virgin forest
jerry garcia - lateforsupperspidergawdeephour
fripp & eno - heavenly music corporation
flying saucer attack - in search of spaces
charalambides - into the earth
pentangle - jack orion
throbbing gristle - very friendly

the garcia probs doesn't count, but there you go

ne obliviscaris - forget not
agalloch - our fortress is burning (3 parts)

awesome poll. will think on this.

Here's a dozen...

Sex - The Necks
Mumps - Hatfield and the North
America - Yes
The Adventures of Greggary Peccary - Frank Zappa
I Trawl the Megahertz - Paddy McAloon
The End - Doors
Singring and the Glass Guitar - Utopia
Montana Song - David Ackles
Sorrow, Tears and Blood - Fela Kuti
Ommadawn (Pt.1) - Mike Oldfield
All Blues - Miles Davis
E2-E4 - Manuel Gottsching

(Damn! Springsteen's 'New York City Serenade' five seconds too short!)

I thought of it more as ambient, but I'm never sure where the lines between classical/20th-century/ambient exist.

Yeah this might get tricky, p sure Karl's bryars nominations would be disallowed too

Richard Dawson "The Vile Stuff"
Sicle Cell & Rhapazooty "Rhapazooty in Blue"
Ice Cube "Bop Gun"
Stereolab & Nurse With Wound "Simple Headphone Mind"
Butthole Surfers "Jimi"
Beastie Boys "B-Boy Bouillabaisse"
The Seeds "Up In Her Room"
Jimi Hendrix "1983 (A Merman I Should Turn to Be)"
Underworld "Cups"
Underworld "Mmm Skyscraper I Love You"
Simply Saucer "Illegal Bodies"
The Mars Volta "L'Via L'Viaquez"
Yo La Tengo "Pass the Hatchet I Think I'm Goodkind"
Studio "Out There"
Electric Wizard "Weird Tales"
Sleep "Dopesmoker"

16/20

man, this thread could spawn a monolithic playlist

Television-Marquee Moon
Television - Little Johnny Jewel - live version on the 12" b-side
Alain Renaud - back and in
Velvet underground - sister ray
Stereolab - Jenny ondioline - l.p. Version
Oasis - Falling Down monstrous etc remix
Flaming Lips - I found a star on the ground
Roy Harper - one of those days in England (side 2 off the album)

That's eight, will maybe think on some more.

i already mentioned Marquee Moon, but thanks for including some Roy Harper!

Roy Harper - The Game
Yes - Awaken
Gong - You'll Never Blow Your Trip Forever
Einstürzende Neubauten - Headcleaner
Einstürzende Neubauten - Perpetuum Mobile

Wanted to vote for Pendulum Man by Bark Psychosis but it is 5 seconds short of the mark alas.

Wizzard - Meet me at the jailhouse

Does the 'no classical' rule rule out Robert Ashley and Alvin Lucier? Where does classical end?

Lucier is idm

learning that a lot of rock songs that i thin of as 'epics' aren't as long as i'd thought

Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Patrick Cowley Megamix)
Fela Kuti - Water Get No Enemy
Negativland - Helter Stupid
Public Image Ltd - Albatross
Les Rallizes Dénudés - Night of the Assasins

(5/20)

50 Foot Wave - Power+Light

x-post: ^had to drop the dead's what's become of the baby, isb's duck on a pond and aec's theme de yoyo for that very reason :-(

also turns out orgone accumulator is 9.59 according to wikipedia, so feel free to sub in la monte young's the well-tuned piano for that if you want (unless shut out due to the classical clause)

Meat Loaf - I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)
Isaac Hayes - Walk On By
Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida

(10/20)

The original album version of "Marquee Moon" runs 9:11...don't hate me.

I would have included it otherwise. I used my Mp3tag directory to make up my list--you can arrange everything you have by song length. (Assume you can do that with an iPod, too.)

Red House Painters - Mother
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill
Rush - Fountain Of Lamneth
Diamanda Galas - Free Among The Dead
Jon Anderson - Moon Ra
Chris Squire - Silently Falling
Vangelis - Heaven And Hell Part 1
Frost - Milliontown
Devil Doll - Sacrilegium
Trance To The Sun - Horse Head Lake
Jacula - Praesentia Domini
Jacula - Magister Dixit

Devil Doll - Mr Doctor
Devil Doll - Eliogabalus

QUESTIONS
1) Do live versions count as separate noms if they are formally released and also notably different from the original?

2) If something is technically a medley but contained/released within one track, is that acceptable?

Check that--my mp3 of "Marquee Moon" runs 9:11, but Wikipedia has it at 9:58, and so does my vinyl LP. Either my mp3 is abridged (by a lot), or the LP time has been incorrect all along. Technically, it falls short either way.

Wish I had more metal suggestions, but most of my favourite epics are under 10mins.

six organs of admittance - school of the flower

(3/20)

Shirley and Dolly Collins - A Song Story
Can - Mother Sky
UFOMAMMUT - Sulphurdew
Pharaoh Sanders - Black Unity
(4/20)

if Marquee Moon doesn't count, i'd like my 20th nom to be Love from Room 109 at the Islander (On Pacific Coast Highway) by Tim Buckley

Would Godspeed You Black Emperor's Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada EP count as one long epic or would the two tracks be counted separately?

acid mothers temple - la le lo
mercyful fate - satan's fall
mastodon - hearts alive

brings me to 7/20

HUSKER DU - REOCCURRING DREAMS

Would Godspeed You Black Emperor's Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada EP count as one long epic or would the two tracks be counted separately?

― MarkoP, Sunday, March 1, 2015 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Two completely different tracks iirc?

Arthur Russell - In the Light of the Miracle
Santa Esmeralda - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood
Jimi Hendrix - Machine Gun
Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too
Marcos Cabral & Shux - A Lifetime Groove
Sonic Youth - Hits of Sunshine (for Allen Ginsberg)
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Moya
Inner Life - Ain't No Mountain High Enough
War - The World is a Ghetto
The Knife - Colouring of Pigeons

Yeah after listening and thinking about it, they do seem more separate.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Blaise Bailey Finnegan III

Beatles - "Revolution 1, take 20"
Duke Ellington - "Diminuendo in Blue and Crescendo in Blue" (from Ellington at Newport)
Duke Ellington - "Ad Lib on Nippon"
Jimmy Smith - "The Duel"
Milford Graves - "Bäbi"
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - "Love and Only Love"
Sun Ra - "The Magic City"
James Brown - "Make it Funky" (from Revolution of the Mind)
John Cale - "Summer Heat"

15/20

Osymyso - Intro-Inspection
(12/20)

Art Zoyd - Musique Pour L'Odyssée
Art Zoyd - Brigades Spéciales

Does the 'no classical' rule rule out Robert Ashley and Alvin Lucier? Where does classical end?

Personally I'd say that "classical" is a piece of music with a score that could, theoretically, be played on "standard" instrumentation. So Arvo Part = classical, Alvin Lucier's I Am Sitting In A Room doesn't.
In C, I'm not sure about.

Jim O'Rourke - 94 The Long Way
Tortoise - Djed
John Fahey - Fare Forward Voyagers
Th' Faith Healers - Everything, All At Once, Forever
Boris - Flood

10/20

Fela Kuti - Coffin for Head Of State
Genesis - Supper's Ready
Neil Young - Ordinary People
Bob Dylan - Highlands
Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-V)
Rolling Stones - Going Home
Van Morrison - Listen To The Lion
Van Morrison - Almost Independence Day

8/20

Scott Walker - SDSS1416+13B (Zercon, A Flagpole Sitter)

obv the rules are yr choice but an epics poll where the Who's "A Quick One" isn't eligible is lacking imo

Tangerine Dream - Birth Of Liquid Plejades
Henry Cow - Living In The Heart Of The Beast
Magma - De Futura
Rush - Xanadu
Sun Ra - Space Is The Place
Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express (if this counts, I always thought of it as a unified piece)
Alvin Lucier - I Am Sitting In A Room
Groundhogs - Split (parts 1-4)
AMM - Combine + Laminates
Eddie Palmieri - Un Dia Bonita

(10/20)

Gah, couldn't really take part in the noms process as I was too busy to make a trawl through my records (and I have a terrible memory), so hopefully you all will have done a good job at this. The only things I can think of I might have added before the deadline were a Cromagnon song I probably wouldn't even vote for and more Cecil Taylor + Sun Ra. But I bet I've forgotten something incredibly important.

i will forever be indebted to this thread for introducing me to the 10+ minute "disco" version of Here Come the Night by the Beach Boys, which is so wonderfully awful, it might be the greatest thing ever.

That was my nomination. It is funny reading about the history of that disco version. The way I remember it, they released a shorter version first, most fans hated it, then they put an extended version on the album. It was regarded as an example of them trying to be hip a couple years after a trend was at its hottest.

The original was a couple of albums old when the disco remix happened

There's as many as 4 disco versions, Light Album version is the longest. I didn't mean to say the fans hated the Wild Honey version, but the earlier disco versions and the later ones were longer.

STILL NOT AN EPICS POLL - VOTING THREAD, ENDS MARCH 28

Valet, "Blood Is Clean" ("North," another track on the album Blood Is Clean, is 13:07, but the title track is 4:59)