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talk about disposable commodity culture.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Tuomas so totally otm

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I think so too.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record: Mark, I hope you really weren't offended by anyone's reactions on here. I'm guessing most people were reacting more on abstract principle than any notion that you'd specifically wronged them.

And maybe Suzy's right: maybe it's just a writerly habit to be very concerned about copyright, well before it officially "matters."

Just for the official record, here’s how I’d personally want the ILX copyright issue to be explained and observed. ILX is a collective publication with many contributors --- not unlike a fiction anthology or a magical magazine that lets its writers maintain ownership of their copy. By posting to this collective publication, we give permission to the entity as a whole to publish our posts here and here only, in perpetuity. It’d also be nice if we could agree to something like this: we give ILX, this "collective publication," the authority to take action on any infringement of the rights to large chunks of its material --- meaning that if someone swipes whole threads, and posters object, Andrew or any other representative of the group could demand action on their behalf.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Include this: "Just a bit of fun, so lets be cool."

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Include also: "The fact that YOU see it as 'just a bit fun' doesn't automatically mean the people who want something more rigid are de facto wrong."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Include also: "fuck you, fuck you in the ear"

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

include also:

"jel is a great person, and it's a shame he doesn't feature much in this here book"

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

include also:

"I like slayer"

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

hasn't this horse been beaten to death by now?

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Just a bit of fun, Dan, so lets be cool."

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Protect your webpage from being printed

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Protect your webpage from being printed

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Include also: "I like glue."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa, thanks JW.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Be cool."

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate, coming through with the info.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

those of you still trippin on this need a cold douche in your ass.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's just a bit of fun."

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, I don't think anyone is "still trippin," Sir Chaki.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://movementbuilding.org/gallery/archival/amanda/pics/alex-sombrero.jpg

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

can't I get one too, Sir C III?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing is that im a writer, and i get a pretty good living out of it (not great, not really enough to surrive, but more then i should) and i dont give a flying fuck about copyright, in fact i think loving copy right is corrosive.

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

So if we keep this one thread alive (but change the focus from topic to topic), can J0hn continue to post on it, as long as it's just this ONE thread? Come back, John...

Also, I love the idea that the random googlers who come on here ("Kanye I LUV YU I know you been thru hardtimes, me too I would do anything 4 u sexually or even as a frend") hold a copyright on their messages.

Also, I must confess that my first thought when I saw the thread originally was "Man, I hope I posted some funny shit in those threads!"

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything of mine is in these books, delete them forthwith, thanks. I'm not going to react as vehemently as J0hn but this is pretty lame.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

actually it is TOTALLY FUCKING LAME and so is the COMPLETELY IDIOTIC idea that "copy right is corrosive."

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this has all been taken care of, Matos.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

565 posts in and it has to be said: this is the least funny Excelsior thread yet.

― briania (briania), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

good thing nobody's still trippin

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Seems like Matos is still trippin.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

we should give him some milk

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Won't someone lock this bitch?

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

RJG, does this mean we ain't getting our copies?

― Homosexual II, Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

There's no reason to lock this thread beyond "The issue has been resolved".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I responded to something written about ten posts ago, not 564, if you'll bother looking.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

T/S: Milk v. Cold Douche

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Lysol Douche Safe as Milk?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah forget it then.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the noise idiots strike again

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope not.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"noise idiots"

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and RJG are making our own book anyway.

― Homosexual II, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

NOISE IDIOTS STRIKE AGAIN:

http://www.artemodus.de/cars/wtc4x.gif

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

THOSE PEOPLE STRIKE AGAIN

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

um, I think you meant this:

http://cgi.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/fun_stuff/2002/08/01/alcohol270.jpg
NOISE IDIOTS STRIKE AGAIN

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

wait, am I supposed to be Adena? I like drinking and drugs and living the fast life!@!@ Or am I supposed to fly a plane into her woman parts?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

think of hip hop. and how kayne west cant use the samples he wants cause of money (or madonna approiting boudins images and having to pay thru the nose) and what if they cant pay.

the thing w. copy right is that it means that people cannot use the work, riff off of it, deconstruct it. it means the author is alive and he can never be killed.

i beleive that information wants to be free, and that may information will be (is this why you never respond to my emails about reviews or features for seattle weekly, matos ? ;) )

as for the book--mark thot that the community of ilx was really impt, that the idea of us together as a collective (both intel. and otherwise) and that he wanted to mark that community, allow for a permanat base for it, not much different then the ilx comp--although he should have asked permission, the ilx comp no one got money for, and lots and lots of people said yeah i want in on that.

i view this thread as a continued breaking down of the ilx community, what was once precious in terms of its strangeness and uniquenss has become common, or does not exist at all anymore. that makes me want to quit more then a couple of comments people made under aliases a couple of years ago.

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(and while im at, can the moderators fucking step off and quit putting their finger in everything that might someday somewhere be offesnive to someone.)

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Can we all PLEASE forget the book that will not exist now?? It was ONE PERSON who did this, everyone's acting like it was a collective effort by the ILX community to do this, this is all very stupid especially since it won't happen and it will not happen again.

That's all I will say on this from here on out...this is already taking up too much energy.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, what have the mods stepped on that we shouldn't have? This book thing hasn't been anything to do with moderation, and I'm not sure what you have in mind.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

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